LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.11.10 (02) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 10 November 2006 * Volume 02
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From: 'Douglas G. Wilson' [douglas at nb.net]
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.11.09 (01) [E]

>here is another question about my local dialect, spoken in Lancashire.
>When I was
>a boy a drain was referred to as a _suff_. ....

>(2) SOUGH : [sVf] ~ [sUf]; boggy, swampy place; place of standing
> water; drain, trench, sewer; subterranean draining channel,
> mine adit
>
>I opt for (2) in this case.

I do too.

>Its etymology isn't clear either, but the _Oxford English Dictionary_ mentions
>Antwerp Brabantish _zoeg_ ([zuG]) 'small ditch in a meadow'. ....

I think this is likely a German cognate, in the Grimm dictionary:

"SUCHE, f., .... d) als wasserleitung auf dem felde SCHÖPF tirol. 728;
rinnsal eines baches, mühlgraben LEXER kärnt. 260."

>I'm rather inclined to connect it with the broad Indo-European category
>*_seu(g)-_ 'run (of water)', 'moist', 'wet', 'suck'

Reasonable IMHO.

Another possibility: from Latin "sulcus" = "furrow"/"groove", supposedly
from IE *selk- = "pull"/"draw".

-- Doug Wilson

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Thanks, Doug.  This is interesting.  I didn't know that German word, assume it's
dialectically limited, perhaps to Tyrol and Carinthia.

Old German has _suoha_ 'furrow' and diminutive _suohilîn_ 'small furrow or
ditch'.  Old Saxon has the cognate _sôha_ (which would give modern *_Soche_ ~
*_Sooch_), which Köbler assumes is a German loan, probably because it is not
expected *_sôka_ (which would give modern *_Soke_ ~ *_Sook_).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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