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L O W L A N D S - L * 05 October 2006 * Volume 05
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From: Henno Brandsma [hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl]
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.10.05 (01) [D/E]

> From: 'Mathias Rösel' [Mathias.Roesel at T-Online.de]
> Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.10.04 (06) [E]
>
>> From: Henno Brandsma [hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl]
>> Subject: LL-L 'Mythology' 2006.10.04 (02) [E]
>> Frisian is "sneon", not "zaterdag", which is Dutch. Some dialects
>> have "saterdei" (Eastern) but most have "sneon"
>> which derives from "*sinna-ewend" (~ Sonnabend) = the day before
>> Sunday.
>
> May I remark that Sonnabend is not the-day-before-Sunday. It's the end
> of the week, that's why it is called Sonnabend (sun set).
> --
> Best,
>
> Mathias

I have read it goes back to an old Germanic habit of naming days for
the next one, using "eve" or ("evening"):
the expression "eve of the war" etc. also goes back to that.
More on this:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sonnabend

http://www.offspring.com/forums/showthread.php\?t=4640 etc...

http://www.behindthename.com/bb_gen/arcview.php\?id=40486

http://www.yourdictionary.com/cgi-bin/agora/agora.cgi?
board=etymology;action=display;num=1066041914

this last thread states that Sonnabend is a loan translation of Anglo-
Saxon sunnan-aefen, even.

I think that the church actually promoted this word: sunday is the
"feast" (festive day), and this defines
Saturday in relation to it.
Samstag is based on the root for "sabbath", as you probably know.

Regards,

Henno

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

I understand that "eve" in names for "Saturday" goes back to Judaism in which a
day begins with evening, hence the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath on Friday
evening (with sundown) and its end on Saturday evening.  This very important
welcome of the Sabbath in the evening was absorbed by the daughter religion
Christianity, and we find vestiges of it in Sunday church services beginning on
Saturday evening ... and in names for "Saturday."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Luc Hellinckx [luc.hellinckx at gmail.com]
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology'

Beste Heather,

You wrote:
> Message text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>
>> >but also "Tamare" (old name for the river
>>
> "Demer" in Limburg).< Could this be cognate with Thames & Thame & Teme
> all rivers here in England?
That I dare not say.
But something else keeps puzzling me. As far as I know, the etymology of
the river Thames is not certain. Yet, personally I have always thought
that there may be a connection with a Flemish city located on the left
bank of the river Scheldt, called Temse. Point is that both Flemish
Temse and English river Thames are called Tamise in French. Now French
"tamise" actually means "filter" (the word has become "teems", "tems(t)"
in modern Flemish dialects), and here I have a link with your earlier
question about "sic" and "sike", which also both mean "filter" in Dutch
(dialect) "zijg".

If this is all true it would mean that England has one more thing in
common with France *s*...both London and Paris have become big next to a
river called "the filter" (basic idea = water slowly sinking, like a
liquid strained through a filter); as it is often proposed that the
French river Seine got its name from the word Sequana, which is cognate
with "sic" and "sike".

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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