LL-L 'History' 2006.10.05 (06) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 05 October 2006 * Volume 06
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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: LL-L 'History' 2006.10.04 (07) [E]

>From: 'Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc.' [roger.thijs at euro-support.be]
>Subject: History
>
>Somehow similar to the Pics, it is not clear what the language of the Belgae
>was.
>
>Caesar just wrote that the Gauls, Acquitanians and Belgiae had mutually
>different languages.
>
>Marien in "Belgica Antiqua" (Mercatorfonds, 1980) states that it had a
>Gallic structure with a pre-Gallic vocabulary.
>He illustrates the latter with pre-indo european words as e.g. "are" for
>river, as Aare in Switserland, but also "Tamare" (old name for the river
>"Demer" in Limburg).
>
This is intriguing, because there is the river "Tamar" that runs along
the border of Devon and Cornwall in the UK. I suppose in such a region
you could well expect a Brythonic derivation.

Of course the idea that Pictish was a form of Brythonic comes from the
large number of Brythonic-sounding names in Scotland, eg Aberdeen,
Aberlady, Abernethy, Tranent, Trabrown. It seems to me that the idea
that Pictish is some sort of lost isolate is dying a difficult death
because of people who find it difficult to let go of this romantic
notion. I think the onus is on them to explain where these place names
come from if Brythonic wasn't widespread in Scotland, or why they think
Pictish has to be some _other_ language when we've got one that fits the
bill.

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/


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