LL-L "Etymology" 2007.06.11 (01) [D/E]

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From: Marcel Bas <roepstem at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.06.09 (07) [D/E]

Dag allemaal,

Dank je wel, Luc, voor de lidwoorden. Bijzonder dat er een ronding ontstaat
bij serge > sözze.

Reinhard, dank je voor de oplossing. Natuurlijk! De twee 'd's hebben een
andere herkomst.
I wasn't thinking accurately enough. I had an idea, but I used the wrong
examples. My point was that there are instances where this devoicing in High
German dialects is incomplete. For example, where 'g' becomes 'k'.

g > k

Du. merg - G. Mark

but

Du. erg - G. arg

Du. rug - D. Rücke

but

Du. steeg - D. Steg

and perhaps b > p:

Du. kribbe - G. Krippe

but

Du. hebben - G. haben.

Or does 'haben' come from 'haven'?

Best regards,

Marcel.

Not really. You're missing something in the German shifts here.

*d > t

dis - Tisch (E. disk = table)
dol - toll (E. dull)
dag - Tag (E. day)
drinken - trinken (E. drink)
door - Tür (E. door)
droom - Traum (E. d ream)

*th > d

de - die (E. the)
deze - diese (E. these)
dinsdag - Dienstag (after the god Thingsus)
dekken - decken (E. thatch)
door - durch (E. through)
denken - denken (E. think)
dik - dick (E. thick)

Is it clearer now?

Things become obscured when you look from the vantage point of one language
in thich the same sound is derived from one than one original sound, as in
the case of Low Franconian and Low Saxon:

*d > t

dis - disch (E. disk = table)
dol - dol ~ dul (E. dull)
dag - dag (E. day)
drinken - drinken (E. drink)
door - doer (E. door)
droom - droum (E. dream)

*th > d

de - de ~ dey (E. the)
deze - disse (E. these)
dinsdag - Dingsdag (after the god Thingsus)
dekken - dekken (E. thatch)
door - doer(ch) (E. through)
denken - denken ~ dinken (E. think)
dik - dik (E. thick)

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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