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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Genealogy" 2007.11.05 (04) [E]

From: Paul Tatum < ptatum at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Genealogy" 2007.11.04 (01) [D/E]

But I think I've heard that it was still celtic speaking in east anglia
when saint Guthlac was travelling there, despite Raedwald et al. do the
dark ages count as medieval? I'm very doubtful about how much we
actually know of our history at this time, our sources seem to be late
and mostly contradicted by archaeology, though the old adage about
absence of evidence (eg of invasion :) is not evidence of absence applies.

TTFN, Paul Tatum.
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unlikely, other than perhaps a few pockets; the missionary activity afer all
was aimed at the Germanic pagans; the celtic speakers were Christians
anyway.   True we can never know for certain, but that argument cuts both
ways; and I'm not sure I'd agree that sources are "mostly contradicted by
archaeology"; the archaeology tends to be rejected if it doesn't fit a
popular model.  The current popular flavour regarding archaeological
evidence of Germanic settlement is that Celtic artifacts prove Celtic
peoples, Germanic artifacts prove Celtic peoples who were pretending to be
Germans.  The same apparently applies to language.   Paul Finlow-Bates

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From: heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk <heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Genealogy" 2007.11.05 (04) [E]

Paul Tatum wrote
I'm very doubtful about how much we
actually know of our history at this time, our sources seem to be late
and mostly contradicted by archaeology, though the old adage about
absence of evidence (eg of invasion :) is not evidence of absence applies.

I think you are probably very right! And for every definite statement about
history, someone can produce evidence or suggestion of the opposite or
something else! So perhaps I should ahve left it as - lincoln is on the east
coast. At least that is something to be sure about!

As I am a great 'Eccles' fan, I shouldn't have used the expression 'solidly
germanic'.
['eccles' is usually thought to be derived from eglwys = Celtic for church
and therefore an indication of a strong enough celtic christian community to
'survive' any invasion / overwhelming/ foreign immigration / upper
take-over. And there are plenty of Eccles on the east coast!

Heather [Randall]

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