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L O W L A N D S - L  -  29 October 2007 - Volume 04
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From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish at paradise.net.nz>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2007.10.28 (03) [E]

> From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2007.10.27 (01) [E]
>
> From: Sandy Fleming < sandy at scotstext.org>
> Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2007.10.25 (06) [E/German]
>
> In the UK a city is usually defined as a place with cathedral (which is
> the seat of a bishop, as I understand it). This means that since there
> are few cathedrals in Scotland, there are few cities, and one of them is
> the small town of Kirkwall in Orkney because of the magnificent St
> Magnus Cathedral there.
>
> Sandy Fleming
> http://scotstext.org/
>
> This is a cart before the horse situation, at least in England; a city is
a
> city by Royal Charter.  Leicester only became a city in the early 20thC,
> and then St. Martin's, the biggest mediaeval church, became the cathedral.
>
> In Derby it was even later - the 1980's. The city now has a cathedral, and
> a Cathedral Road, but only since then.
>
> On the other hand, the huge churches at Southwell (Nottinghamshire) and
> Beverley (Yorkshire), though episcopal centres, are "Minsters", and
neither
> town is a city. Nottingham has been a city for far longer than either of
> its neighbours Leicester and Derby, but doesn't have a cathedral as it
> falls under Southwell.
>
> In England, cities make cathedrals, not the other way round.

New Zealand apparently takes the Scottish side in that argument.  Though I
suspect a lot had to do with the early establishment of provincial
government
in 1853.  - and a lot of swelled heads ...

Thus we have the City of Nelson, capital of the Nelson Province, until
provincial government was abolished in 1876; it was also where a cathedral,
the centre of a diocese, was established.  It is one of the smallest cities
in New Zealand.

While, for me, as a neo-Melanesian - ie, born in PNG, in the backblocks, of
European descent - a village has always been a settlement of about twenty to
thirty houses, no specialization apart from ritual necessities - ie, no
trade
stores, pubs, etc - and a population of about eighty to a hundred and
twenty.

I've never been able to get my head around the English custom of calling a
settlement with a high degree of specialization and a population of several
thousand, a village.  But that's just me. ;)

Wesley Parish

> Scotland may well be different.
>
<snip>
>
> Paul Finlow-Bates

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