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From: Kevin & Cheryl Caldwell <kevin.caldwell1963 at verizon.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.01 (03) [E]

Among musicians, apparently "to rag" a piece of music, or make it "ragged",
is to syncopate a standard melody (i.e., move it off the beat).  So
"ragtime" was so called because it has a ragged melody.

http://cnx.org/content/m10878/latest/

Kevin Caldwell

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From: ppvaneeden at ziggo.nl
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.30 (01) [E]

Good day!

More about this important giant (perhaps a God) Surtr. Our Dutch word z*wart
* (black) is related to Surtr. It is also interesting to note that the words
*sword* and *swear* can both be linked to the PIE **swer-.* Perhaps they are
also related to Surtr. In ancient times the *sword* played a very important
role in the oath swearing ceremonies.

Sword:

O.E. sweord, from P.Gmc. *swerdan (cf. O.S., O.Fris. swerd, O.N. sverð,
Swed. svärd, M.Du. swaert, Du. zwaard, O.H.G. swert, Ger. Schwert), related
to O.H.G. sweran "to hurt," from *swertha-, lit. "the cutting weapon," from
PIE base *swer- "to cut."

Swear:

O.E. swerian "take an oath" from P.Gmc. *swarjanan, from root *swar- (cf.
O.S. swerian, O.N. sverja, Dan. sverge, O.Fris. swera, M.Du. swaren, O.H.G.
swerien, Ger. schwören, Goth. swaren "to swear"), from PIE base *swer- "to
speak, say" (cf. O.C.S. svara "quarrel").

But Saterday (from Sæternes or Sætern or Saturn) is then also related to
Surtr!

Surtr is a very old giant (perhaps a God). He exited before the creation of
the other giants and Gods. Surtr is an important figure during the Ragnarok.
He will destroy the earth with fire. All the giants will be destroyed by the
Gods during the Ragnarok except for this giant Surtr.

Regards,

Petrus van Eeden

*Van:* ppvaneeden at ziggo.nl [mailto:ppvaneeden at ziggo.nl]
*Verzonden:* 30 November 2008 05:56 PM
*Aan:* 'lowlands.list at GMAIL.COM'; 'LOWLANDS-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG'
*Onderwerp:* RE: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.11.30 (01) [E]

Goeie dag,

Heel interessant oor die woord *Reus*! In my Etymologisch woordeboek van het
Nederlands staan dat die woord *reus* moontlik verwant is aan die Latynse *
verrūca* (hoogte) en Sanskrit *vársman* (hoogte) en Indo-europees
**uer-*(verhoogde plek).

Groete,

Petrus van Eeden

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From: heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk <heatherrendall at tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.01 (04) [E]

from Heather Rendall

re rag paper

Whoops! My mistake and apologies to all those connected with the paper
trade. I suppose I was thinking about the paper that was used in old 50s
comics and other cheap books / magazines in which you could almost see
pressed threads.

What would this have been made out of?

Sorry not really a Forum problem! But I'm interested.

Heather

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From: Arend Victorie <victorie.a at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2008.12.01 (02) [E]

Moi Heather en Reinhard.

Betreft "Rag/Raggen"

Wij hebben in het Nederlands Bargoens het woord "Ragschore" = Ondeugelijke
waar (markttaal) Rag is wellicht <Hebr. *reiag, roeach>* wind, geur,  of in
een ongunstige betekenis: *stank.*

Mogelijk echter ook < het germ. Woord voor los weefsel dat in Algemeen
Beschaafd Nederlands *spinrag, ragebol*, ect. voorkomt.

Arend Victorie
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