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From: Mike Wintzer <k9mw at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2008.02.01 (05) [E]

Hi LLers,
Ron wrote:

"Nueva España"?! Are you kiddin' me?! With that you'd be booed out of *both
*countries.

Are you sure, Ron?
Judging by the - albeit small - sample I have,
Latinos (I am following accepted nomenclature) in
Florida like to be identified (along with their language)
not by their country of origin (Puertorican,
Chilean etc.) but as "Spanish" (sic!).
But back to the LLs.....
Kumpelmenten, Mike Wintzer

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2008.02.01 (05) [E]

Hahaha, now we know where you stand, Reginaldo. Okay, we'll keep our
grubby little European fingers off the Americas, as soon as you take your
grubby fat American fingers off Europe and the Lowlands. Hasta la vista,
baby ;-)
Ingmar

Ron wrote:
You guys keep your grubby little European fingers off our love-fest! Mexico
and the US need each other, and we let Canada play too. ;-)

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language politics

Mike, Florida is ... How shall I say? *¿Un caso muy, muy especial?* Nuff
said about that.

Oh, and nice try, Ingmar, my clever little left-behind European brother!

Tune in! Colonialism is out ... well, now that it's a done deal. Heritage
continuation and reclamation is in. We transplants to the "New" World have
it all. We are the famous Huddled Masses that arrived in the (other) Lands
of Hope and Glory. If you like it or not, we get to stick our mighty,
purified tentacles wherever we please.

¡Viva México! ¡Viva America! O Canada! Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika uit die blou
van onse hemel sounds the call to come together, Setjhaba sa South Afrika,
and united we shall stand! Manaakitia mai Aotearoa a.k.a. New Zealand, and
Australia rich and rare! So there!

Reinhard/Ron

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2008.01.31 (02) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Language politics
>
> Furthermore, Scotland and Northumbria have a lot of traditional
> culture in common, even though England English influences have masked
> a lot of that on the English side of the border, and migration to
> one-time economic hubs such as Newcastle and Sunderland have played a
> part in this.
>
> My basic question is this: How would Northumbrian and Scots speakers
> react to a proposal to unite them linguistically?

I wonder if it would be better to consider if language and culture (and
maybe other things like sport - or at least the less popular sports)
shouldn't be treated as separate concerns from national politics?

If you're going to set up a language body for Scots, I don't see why it
couldn't cover all of Northumbrian - that is to say, taking Scots as a
set of dialects within modern Northumbrian.

Could we have a language institute for, say, "Greater Northumbrian",
which would cover studies for Scots, Northumbrian and perhaps some
Yorkshire dialects?

The other side of the fence is that these dialects are presently being
used as political tools, though often by people who don't speak them, so
that Scots is grouped with Shetlandic (for example) despite the problems
of treating Shetlandic as Scots, rather than a related language. But
divorcing linguistics from politics is a rather good idea, I would say.

I think that this is up to individual academics and enthusiasts to set
in motion. Are there books or websites devoted to anything like what I'm
calling "Greater Northumbrian", for example, and should there be?

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/
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