LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.20 (03) [A/D/E]

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.20 (02) [D/E]

Haai julle

Petrus, my Duitse woordeboek (Wahrig) sê dat die vorm

wel na die veelogige godheid verwys.

Een kyk ontketen 'n woedende geveg.

Elsie

From: ppvaneeden at ziggo.nl
Subject: Etimologie van Argwaan

Kan iemand my met die woord *Argwaan* help. Waar kom hierdie woord vandaan?
Was *Arg* 'n godheid? In die Griekse mitologie is Argus 'n bekende begrip.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes Arg is verwant aan die PIE **arg
* (skitterende, blinkende, glansende).

Was Arg moontlik 'n Waanse godheid (Arg + Waan)? Vergelyk ook die woord *
argeloos* (sonder Arg). Die woord *arg* is verder verwant aan die Engelse
woorde *argent* en *argue* en ook aan *argument.*

Die woord *arend* is ook moontlik verwant aan die woord *arg* (of Argus)

Die Nederlandse uitdrukking: 'Met *argusogen* bekijken' is in Afrikaans 'Met
*arendsoë* bekyk' wat die verwantskap tussen *arend *en *argus* moontlik
bevestig.

Weet iemand hier meer van?

Groetjes,

Petrus van Eeden

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.20 (02) [D/E]

Hi all,

Diederik, I've heard two forms in Afrikaans: weerluis / weeluis, depending
on the

dialectical area.

Elsie

From: Diederik Masure <didimasure at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.19 (08) [E]

Luc: I just wanted to mention the example of weegluis too, altho I only knew
it in the form weekluis with a k. But I never talk/write about this animal
so it's a word that I never needed in my life - so I might just have
misinterpreted g as a k before I learnt the connection with Scandinavian
vegg. The animal in Norwegian is also called vegglus iirc.

hmm on wikipedia I see it's also called bedwants, that's indeed the animal
as I know it.

Diederik

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From: Arend Victorie <victorie.a at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.01.20 (02) [D/E]

Moi Petrus,

't woord *arg *komp uut 't middelnèderlaans. Circ. 1270-90) in samenstelling
as *arglist.*

(1276) *arg-waan* een aandere vörm van *erg.*

't Woord *Arend* (1545) *arent* 1562*, aerndt* 1525 midelnèderl.

*aren* (Circ. 1285). vergeliek old Saksisch old hoogduuts. *arn*, old Engels
*earn*

Old Noors *ǫ**rn*. Germ. *arnu*. Beheurd ok töt 't Grieks, *ornis* Vogel.
Litouwen, *ere**͂**lis* arend

Ar'gus-ogen = Grieks mythologische figuur *Argus* is de 100 ogige bewaker
van *Io* betiekent waakzame niks ontgaonde ogen, waoran  niks ontgiet.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_(mythologie)<http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_%28mythologie%29>

Goodgaon,

Arend/Argus???? Victorie

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From: Heiko Evermann <heiko.evermann at gmx.de>
Subject: Etimologie van Argwaan

Dear Petrus,

> Kan iemand my met die woord Argwaan help. Waar kom hierdie woord vandaan?
> Was Arg 'n godheid? In die Griekse mitologie is Argus 'n bekende begrip.
> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_Panoptes Arg is verwant aan die PIE
*arg
> (skitterende, blinkende, glansende).
>
> Was Arg moontlik 'n Waanse godheid (Arg + Waan)? Vergelyk ook die
> woord argeloos (sonder Arg). Die woord arg is verder verwant aan die
Engelse
> woorde argent en argue en ook aan argument.
>
> Die woord arend is ook moontlik verwant aan die woord arg (of Argus)
>
> Die Nederlandse uitdrukking: 'Met argusogen bekijken' is in Afrikaans 'Met
> arendsoë bekyk' wat die verwantskap tussen arend en argus moontlik
bevestig.
>
> Weet iemand hier meer van?

The "Etymologisches Wörterbuch" by Kluge (this name always makes me
laugh, the author of a dictionary has the family name "intelligent")
says that Argwohn is based on arg + wahn, where Wahn retains the old
meaning of "Vermutung" (suspicion).

So what is "arg"?
Arg still is a usual word in some German dialects, meaning bad/evil.
But in North Germany it is not used these days. The only people I hear
using it come from the south.

This yields: argwohn means to suspect bad things. No special religious
background required fot the etymology.

Heiko

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

I am assuming that Dutch *erg* is a relative of *this arg*. Both of them
came to mean 'very' (< 'badly', 'terribly') as well.

'evil', 'bad', 'dire':
Old Saxon: *arg*
Old Frisian: *erch*
Old Low Frankish: *arg*

Derived are Low Saxon *Arger* 'annoyance', 'trouble' and German *Ärger
*'annoyance',
'trouble' and *ärgern* 'to annoy', 'to trouble', 'to bother'.

Originally, *wān* (> -*waan*, *Wahn ~ -wohn*) meant 'expectation'. In
extension it came to mean things like 'hope', 'suspicion', 'belief' and
'delusion' (hence e.g. German *wahnsinnig* 'delusional' > 'crazy').

In Low Saxon, one word for "superstition" is *Wangloven* ~ *Wahngloven* ~
etc. I assume we are dealing with the same *wān* here (perhaps 'wishful
thinking'):

'expectation', 'hope':
Old Saxon: *wān*
Old English: *w**ǣ**n*
Old German: *wān*
Old Norse: *wān* (~ *ōn*)
Gothic: *wēns*
Germanic: ****wēni-, *wēniz, *w**ǣ**ni-, *w**ǣ**niz*

In extension, there is a group of verbs denoting 'to expect', 'to hope', 'to
suppose', 'to believe', 'to fancy', 'to think':

Old Saxon: *wānian*
Old English: w*ēnan*
Old Frisian: *wēna*
Old German: *wānen ~ wānnen* (> MidG *wænen* > ModG *wähnen*)
Old Low Frankish: *wānan* (> MidD, ModD *wanen*)
Old Norse: *v**ǣ**na
*Gothic: *wēnjan*
Germanic: **w**ǣ**njan*

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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