LL-L "Technica" 2009.03.11 (06) [E]

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From: Brooks, Mark <mark.brooks at twc.state.tx.us>
Subject: LL-L "Technica" 2009.03.11 (04) [E]

I don’t know if it will show when I mail this back to you, but the “header”
on all of the Lowlands emails has started looking like this:

span.gi {mso-style-name:gi;} span.gd {mso-style-name:gd;} span.go
{mso-style-name:go;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in
1.0in 1.0in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in;
mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} -->

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I believe it started showing up like that at the beginning of this week.
The rest of the email, including the body, looks normal though.  Even the
“special characters.”

Mark Brooks

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From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Technica"

Beste Ron,

You wrote:

    Thank you very much, dear Roger.

    Unfortunately, something weird keeps going on with the encoding.

    A couple of days ago I did a test. I first sent a potential posting to
myself (at Yahoo) from the LL-L (Gmail) account, and all "special"
characters came out just fine. Then I posted it via the Listserv and my copy
(received at Yahoo) arrived with the "special" characters all weird.

    I sent these to our hosts at LINGUIST with the request to further
investigate this apparent glitch.

Glitch?

Nothing has worked right here (regarding characters that are not readily
available in English) since end of January. Even EOL-characters for line
feeds are shown. Puzzling is the fact that on a Mac, everything is OK as
long as Thunderbird or Entourage is used, but not with Mail.app, no matter
what encoding is chosen. Even changed protocol from POP3 to IMAP: no use.

My iPhone on the other hand displays everything fine, notwithstanding that
the mailclient on iPhone must be quite related to Mail.app.

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

PS: On Linux (Ubuntu): no problems

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Technica

Thanks, Mark and Luc!

I just heard back from Susan Smith of LINGUIST who is kindly investigating
this matter. So far, she says, she gets the desired results by sending text
in text mode rather than in HTML mode.

I am trying this here, just to see what happens (see test below). I do
expect that that works. However, it will take away all formatting, which is
a drag and a lot of work for me if I must recreate people's html formatting
in the actual messages. I hope there's another way.

I've pasted this message into text mode and then into the email program
whose default is now sending in UTF-8. Let's see what happens.

At any rate, there ought to be a better way, and we'll keep looking for a
solution.

Thanks for your forbearance.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

Tests:

Part of our Mike's signature:
Ishara Foundation || ईशारा फॉउंडेशन  || イシャラ基金
Mumbai/Bombay *|* मुंबई *|* ムンバイ/ボンベイ (インド)

A translation of mine:

So 'n gräsigen dörst

- leddige daag' vull vun tied
un all ähr väälmaals leddig verrecken,
so bitter-seer tœgsaam;
bloodrode sünnenünnergäng un all den schiet,
hitte noordwestwinnen un ieskolen rägen ...

wieldes politsche räden jüm ähr achterstävens
na 'n langtöögschen dood to achter sik her treckt,
liek as 'n hund mit 'n toschannenslane graad,
liek as leddiggahne, arbeitslose stünnen,
de di 't blood ut 't hart vun't hœpen rutsuugt

- düsse dag is anners as sien vörwäser,
man bloots vunwägen de quantensnackeree -

ik bün de Arbeitslosigkeit:
keen halfwussenen düvel ut 'n middelöllernacht,
keen steen-olen kommunisten-bumann
hett us seelen jemaals so nastellt,
mit so 'n gräsigen dörst,
so 'n düvelsch pläseer

Some IPA:
ðɪz ʔɪzəˈtʰɛst ʔɪnaˑɪpiɛˑɪ

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