LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.25 (03) [E]

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From: Theo Homan <theohoman at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2009.03.25 (01) [E/German]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
[...]
> This goes back to Old Saxon kniobeda
> ("knee-bid") 'act of begging or praying on
> one's knees', as in the Heliand:
>
> thea uurekkion fellun te them kinde an kneobeda
> ("The warriors fell to the child in/to/on
> kneobeda")
> The warriors fell onto their knees before the child and
> prayed.
>
> The verb is considered old enough to warrant an Old
> Germanic reconstruction: *knewabedô.
>
> Beda (Old Low Frankish beda, Old German beta)
> 'act of begging or praying' goes back to Germanic
> *bedô. This goes back to Indo-European
>
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> *bhedh- which means
> 'to bend (down)', 'to push (down)', 'to
> suppress'. So praying was synonymous with begging or
> pleading which implied bending down, supplication, a gesture
> of physical submission.
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
> Seattle, USA

Hello,

[Sorry for all these strange characters, but that is how it's going during
the last weeks.]

If I may add:
I remember that a Roman wrote about the praying position of the Celts (in
Eastern Europe), and this was a praying position that the Romans didn't know
of any other people wherever on the world, and this praying position was...:
on the knees and the hands folded.

Well, this does not include that the Germans didn't have the same praying
position, but was *knewabeda just 'asking' or also 'pray'?

vr.gr.
Theo Homan

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