LL-L "Orthography" 2010.08.06 (09) [EN]

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From: Hellinckx Luc <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>

Subject: LL-L "Orthography"



Beste Ron,

You wrote:

> It reminded me that in Low Saxon, too, we have this supposed sequence
/tn/, albeit never in initial position, e.g. buten (“buutn”) ‘outside’.

The example I gave earlier on, "tnootn" for Dutch "knoken" illustrates very
well the different sound between the two /tn/ clusters, the first one is the
"nasal stop" version and the last one is like "buutn". The tip of the tongue
also shifts towards the back of the front teeth during the pronunciation of
this word, because in the final /tn/ cluster you should effectively hear a
-t-, not so in the initial one.

> However, I still argue that the apparent allophone of /t/ in these cases
is really the mentioned “nasal stop”. You can’t say it any other way.

It could indeed be labelled a "nasal stop" or maybe an "unvoiced palatalized
stop". The sound is very similar to how in Russian (and other Slavic)
languages, words like Днепр, for the Dnepr river, are pronounced [dnʲɛpr].
Also compare how Russian inflects the word день, for day: дня, дни, дней [d̻
ʲn̻ʲa, d̻ʲn̻ʲi, d̻ʲn̻ʲej]

A hundred years ago, Dutch professor Jacobus van Ginneken might have seen
proof of a Slavic substrate in this phenomenon. He wrote numerous articles
about Slavic relics in Dutch, one of them can be read here:
http://tinyurl.com/3xcbg6q

Kind greetings,

Luc Hellinckx, Halle, Belgium



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