LL-L "Etymology" 2010.10.16 (02) [EN]

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From: Theo Homan <theohoman at yahoo.com>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.10.16 (01) [EN-NL]



From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>

Subject: Etymology

There are numerous place names ending with *-um* along the Netherlands’
coast, several also on Germany’s North Sea coast. Possibly naively, I
associate them with Frisian.

Does this “suffix” have the same etymology? What is it?

Please bear in mind that the Frisian-speaking area used to be much, much
larger than it is now, that many Hollandish and Saxon dialects have Frisian
substrata.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA



Hi,



In most cases the place-name-endings -um [on / en, etc.] go back on the very
old dative plural that was used to idicate the localisation ['he lives on/in
the *um].



vr.gr.

Theo Homan

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From: "Stellingwerfs Eigen" <info at stellingwerfs-eigen.nl>

Subject: LL-L: Etymologie



Henno schreef:
> so it indeed is unrelated to our other word "pultrum", it seems.
"Pulterum" seems to be its older form.

Bingo! En dat 'pulterum' (ok wel: pultkammer) zol van et Deens kommen:
bargruumte, rommelhokke, vliering, enz. Dat liekt inderdaod meer op oonze
pultrum, et schriefkassien mit een protte laegies en vakkies aachter kleine
deurties. Et Stellingwarfs het et dan lichtkaans via et Fries overneumen.
Et 'pulpitum' (kaansel, preekstoel) uut de karke zol dan argens aanders
heerkommen.



Ron:
As far as I know, de suffix ~um (ok wel: ~em) in et Fries is etzelde as
'~hem' en '~him' en meent: ... 'van him' of 'van hem', et laand van Jan:
Janum; dörp van (persoonsnaeme) Balle: Ballum; plak op een hoogte: Burgum,
'burg' is hoogte, van de hoogte, a.s.o.
Ok plaknaemen die eerder as 'terp' bestonnen hebben in et Fries vaeke ~um as
uutgang: Dokkum, Kollum, Hantum, Hogebeintum, Menaldum, Burum, Blessum,
Britsum, Wierum, Deinum, Boksum, Roordahuizum, Marrum.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terp



Mit een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf,

Piet Bult



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From: Marcus Buck <list at marcusbuck.org>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2010.10.16 (01) [EN-NL]



From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>

There are numerous place names ending with *-um* along the Netherlands’
coast, several also on Germany’s North Sea coast. Possibly naively, I
associate them with Frisian.


Does this “suffix” have the same etymology? What is it?

Please bear in mind that the Frisian-speaking area used to be much, much
larger than it is now, that many Hollandish and Saxon dialects have Frisian
substrata.



Some time ago I created a small tool that shows the geographic distribution
of places whose names contain certain substrings (suffixes, affixes etc.).
The link for "-um" is
<http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=placer&q=%24um><http://plattmakers.de/index.php?show=placer&q=%24um>.
Please be aware that the tool uses Google Maps and Javascript. For very
common suffixes like "-um" it may take some time until your computer has
computed the input and displays the map.

Marcus Buck



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