LL-L "Etymology" 2011.01.04 (01) [EN-FY-NDS]

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.01.03 (03) [EN]

From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.01.02 (06) [EN]

Dear Marlou:

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.01.02 (01) [EN]

On thinking it over I should rather have left the answer in the 'choose /
choosing' string to Ron, but since he responded anyway I can relax, sit back
& say 'Me too."

But while I'm about it let me cite my *other* authority, Boshoff en Nienaber
'Afrikaanse Etimologeë'. for the entry:

'Kies' (2) werkwoord, uitsoek, om voorkeur te gee aan; Nederlands *kiezen*,
English *choose*, Goties *kiusan*, hou verb. m. Latyns *gustus*, "proef,
smaak", Grieks *geuo*, ek laat proe, *geuomai*, "ek proe" etc.

They make further reference, as Ron does, to a simile 'keur' by which in
Afrikaans we also mean to choose or select, or referring something
that *is*'select'. Then there is eg 'Die Uitgekorene', 'The Chosen
One/s'. I do not
know the processes that brought two different words so close in sound &
meaning, or if they started the same, how they diverged without differing in
meaning.

However there are many such. & is an ancient Teutonic rhetorical gambit to
use them together in a stock phrase, Afr 'kies en keur', Eng 'pick &
choose'.

In Dutch we have the expression "te kust en te keur gaan" and this contains
2 old Ablaut variants of "*keuZan"

The r-z change is due to an old phenomenon known as "Grammatischer Wechsel"
in Indo-European linguistics.

It also explains Dutch "zien" vs past "zag", as well as "verliezen /
verloren", "kiezen / keur" etc.

See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatischer_Wechsel

for more details (technical stuff!, it's due to a difference in stress in IE
that was lost in Old Germanic, essentially, which influenced the first
Germanic sound shift that set apart Germanic from the other IE languages)

Regards,

Henno Brandsma

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2011.01.03 (06) [NDS]

From: Stellingwerfs Eigen <info at stellingwerfs-eigen.nl>>

Subject: LL-L "Etymology" kiezen, keur...

Mark Dreyer en aanderen schreven over 'kiezen', 'keur' en zo...

Een bescheiden bi'jdrege...

In et Stellingwarfs kennen we krek as in et Ned. et warkwoord 'kiezen' (to
choose), ik kies/kieze, hi'j/zi'j köst, wi'j kiezen en dat in et Ned. is ok
et meervoold van et Stell. 'koezen' (maeltanen; Molar (Zahn)), iene koeze (1
kies), twie koezen (2 kiezen).

Een 'keur' in et Stell. is 1. een stuk om te keuren (neem mar even een
stokkien op keur mit); 2. de verscheidenheid om uit te kunnen kiezen (d'r is
hiel wat keur in kleuren); 3. keuzemogelijkheid (de eerste keur hebben); 4.
gradatie in kwaliteit (de botter was eerste of twiede keur); 5. in: te kust
en te kust (d'r is genoeg, zuuk mar uut).

Dit giet as yn it Nederlânsk, dus. Yn it Ndl. is "kiezen" foar "koezen"
feitliks in Ingweonisme (dus in kustfoarm, sa't dy yn it Frysk en Ingelsk,
en somtiden yn it Saksysk ek foarkomme), en in heel oar wurd.

 Et Stell. keuren is 1. onderzuken; 2. de smaek pruven; 3. beoordielen

Wfr "karre" ( < "*kerra", mei ûntrûning)

Et Stell. koor is 1. een zangkoor; 2. saemen (in koor); 3. een groep mensen
(een hiel koor); 4. et koor van de karke (de ruumte onder en rond de
kaansel.

In âlder Latynsk lienwurd (dat weromgiet op it Grysksk)

Et Stell. koren is 1. graan; 2. misselijk worden, overgeven (trow up).

Dit binne 2 ferskillende wurden, etymologysk. It twadde is wrsk. == Frysk
"koarje", en mûlk in lienwurd.

It foarste in erfwurd, fl. Frysk "koarn", Ndl. "koren", Ing. "corn" esfh.

Et Stell. kaoren is 1. het moeizaam gaan (ze kaoren naor de karke); 2. het
kaarden bij het spinnen van garen (de wolle kaoren).

It twadde = Fr "kaardzje", Ndl "kaarden", esfh, mei d-útfal, liket my.
Miskjin is de earste betstjutting derfan ôflaat?

Mit nog de beste weensken veur et ni'je jaor en

een vrundelike groet uut Stellingwarf

Piet Bult

Allyksa, lok en seine tawinske foar eltsenien op'e list!

Groetnis,

Henno Brandsma

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