LL-L "Culture" 2011.05.30 (01) [EN-NL]

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 From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. roger.thijs at euro-support.be
Subject: LL-L Cultural change

In Antwerp public schools about half of the population at primary level is
muslim. See excerpt from “Het Laatste Nieuws” attached.

I see a similar evolution in France.
A couple of weeks ago I was in Blanc-Miseron (France, Nord), where I did a
project in the early nineties. All restaurant and food shops have a panel
nowadays that their food is “halal”.
The big restaurant chain “Flunch” had, as well in Rijsel (Lille) as in
Valencienes, a promotion with couscous buffets.

In Brussel Tonton Chami started with a halal hamburger chain. I’m sure Mac
Donalds and Quick will have to adjust similarely soon and go the halal way.
http://www.brusselnieuws.be/eten-drinken/halal-fastfood-verovert-brussel
 I have been eating at Tonton Chami a couple of times: the quality of the
food and of the service is excellent.

What I’m just asking myself: Will there still be restaurants offering bacon
dishes in a near future? As they will be disqualified by half or more of the
new local population.

Anyhow, even when halal, it stays in a West-European eating culture. Last
week I had lunch in one of the better restaurants in Lewes DE. The main
dish, filet mignon , was served with two eggs and with a basket with a
variation of sweet danish pastry. We are not used to this overdoing with
combining tastes.

Regards,
Roger

PS: Is there a fundamental difference between “halal” and “kosher”? Both do
not allow porc, but further I don’t know.

Quoted from “Het Laatste Nieuws”:
In het Antwerps stedelijk basisonderwijs is bijna de helft van de leerlingen
moslim. Het gaat om een stijging met bijna 12 procent in vergelijking met
het schooljaar 2007-2008, schrijven de Corelio-kranten.
Het aantal leerlingen in het Antwerps stedelijk onderwijs dat islamlessen
volgt, neemt toe, zo blijkt uit cijfers die Vlaams Belang opvroeg bij de
Antwerpse schepen van Onderwijs, Robert Voorhamme (sp.a).
In het stedelijk onderwijs kunnen ouders kiezen welk levensbeschouwelijk vak
hun kinderen volgen. Ze kunnen kiezen tussen de zes erkende godsdiensten
(katholicisme, protestantisme, orthodoxe godsdienst, anglicanisme, jodendom
en islam) en niet-confessionele zedenleer.
"Van de 10.743 leerlingen in de Antwerpse stedelijke basisscholen kozen er
dit schooljaar 4.890 voor de islam. Dat is 45,5 procent of een stijging van
net geen twaalf procent vergeleken met het schooljaar 2007-2008", luidt het
in de kranten. Volgens schepen Voorhamme weerspiegelen de cijfers de
evolutie van de bevolkingssamenstelling. (belga/sps)
30/05/11 07u38
Source:
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1265/Onderwijs/article/detail/1271704/2011/05/30/Helft-van-leerlingen-Antwerps-basisonderwijs-is-moslim.dhtml

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Culture

Hi, Roger!

PS: Is there a fundamental difference between “halal” and “kosher”? Both do
not allow porc, but further I don’t know.

I'll make my response on this enormous topic as brief as possible.

   - Neither Islamic *ḥalāl *(حلال) nor Jewish *kāshēr* (כָּשֵׁר, Yiddish *
   kosher*) refer only to food laws; they refer to many other aspects of
   life.*
   - Islamic food laws are not as detailed and extensive as are Jewish food
   laws.
      - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal
      - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashrut
      - Both restrict human consumption to meat that comes to certain
      permissible animals that are slaughtered in a particular way
accompanied by
      blessings.
      - Many animals' meat may be consumed in Islam but not in Judaism; e.g.
      rabbits and many types of seafood (while among aquatic animals only fish
      with scales and fins are kosher).
      - In Judaism, meat and dairy may not be consumed at the same time, and
      this restriction does not exist in Islam. This requires kosher
kitchens to
      have separate parts, each with its own utensils, dishes, etc.
Furthermore,
      non-kosher items may not enter a kitchen or even a house, since
contact with
      them would render everything non-kosher. The rules are so difficult to
      follow, especially for those that mix with non-Jews, that few
non-orthodox
      Jews even attempt to follow most of them. Instead, most of them
only follow
      the very basic rules of avoiding pork, rabbit, eel, catfish and shellfish
      and not mixing meat and dairy.

* In Israel, there is now a new kosher mobile telephone on the market,
specifically designed for ultra-orthodox people. The interface is in
Yiddish, and access to "inappropriate" sites is blocked so as to remove
temptation.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA

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