LL-L "Phonology" 2011.09.05 (03) [EN]

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology



Dear Lowlanders,

Before the current thread becomes more involved, I want to give you a
summary and some more information if you have been trying to follow and have
a hard time with the Low Saxon conversation.

The basic thing is that Old Saxon -ƀ- (a barred “b” that occurs
intervocalically, which Ingmar assumes to stand for [w] and I assume to
stand for [β]) developed in two ways in Modern Saxon (Low Saxon): [v] and
[b], depending upon the dialect. In Northern Germany it is particularly the
dialects of the Low Elbe region that have the [b] pronunciation, while most
other regions have the [v] pronunciation.

“remain”:

  Old Saxon

Modern Saxon (Low Saxon)

written

written

clear

less clear

unclear

bilīƀan >

*blieven*

[ˈbliːvn̩]

[ˈbliːvm̩]

[ˈbliːm(m̩)]

*blieben*

[ˈbliːbn̩]

[ˈbliːbm̩]


This topic came up because Ingmar noticed what seems like inconsistency in
Hanne’s writing: -b- and -w-. I explained that Hanne’s Mecklenburg region,
as also the neighboring Eastern Holstein region (both formerly
Slavic-speaking regions, incidentally) are apparently transitional. I
believe that this explains the inconsistency.

I wonder if Hanne’s *bläben* ([ˈblɛːbm̩] > [ˈblɛːm(m̩)]) was interpreted as
‘to remain’. It is in fact the past participial form (‘remained’) of *
blieben* ‘to remain’. Please note that many Low Saxon dialects have
discarded old participial *ge-* and its intermediate form *e-* (as still
found in parts of the Eastern Netherlands).

Here now the paradigm for verbs of the type *-iev-* ~ *-ieb-* in Northern
Low Saxon (including Western Mecklenburg dialects):



Infinitive:* blieven ~ blieben *“to remain”

Present: *ik bliev’, du bliffst, he/se/dat blifft, wi/ji/se blievt ~ blieven
~ blieben*

Past: *ik blev’, du bleevst, he/se/dat blev’ wi/ji/se bleven ~ bleben*

Past Part.: *blẹven ~ blẹben* *~ bläwen* *~ bläben*



Infinitive:* schrieven ~ schrieben *“to write”

Present: *ik schriev’, du schriffst, he/se/dat schrifft, wi/ji/se schrievt ~
schrieven ~ schrieben*

Past: *ik schrev’, du schreevst, he/se/dat schrev’ wi/ji/se schreven ~
schreben*

Past Part.: *schrẹven ~ schrẹben* *~ schräwen* *~ schräben*



I hope this clarified a few matters.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
Seattle, USA



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