LL-L "Etymology" 2012.03.27 (01) [DE-EN-NDS]

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 From: Roger Thijs rogerthijs at yahoo.com
 Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2012.03.26 (03) [EN]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
> For one thing, its Low Saxon name *Braam* ([brɒːm] ~ [broːm]), its Dutch
name *brem* ([brɛm])

I'm confused since Dutch has as well brem as braam
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brem_(plant)
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braam_(plant)

In my Limburgish (Vliermaal) we used:
"broemele" for Dutch "braambessen" (blackberries)
We used "breime" as generic for large picking plants, making passthrough
virtually impossible.

I don't know the dialect word for the Dutch "brem". I think it was growing
in the sandy "Kempen" but not in the clayground of my "Haspengouw"

Regards,
Roger

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From: Hannelore Hinz <hannehinz at t-online.de> <hannehinz at t-online.de>
 Subject:  LL-L "Etymoloy" 2012.03.26 (03) [EN]

*Fräuhjohrsgräuten an all' Lowlanners,*

*The March must give us nine days of summer. At last! I enjoy the morning
sun on the balcony.*
De Lentmand möt uns nägen Sommerdaag schenken. Nu endlich! Ick geneit de
Morgensünn up den'n Balkon.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginster

*Bram *m. Ginster, spartium scoparium (sarothamus scoparium): *Brahm; wenn
de Bram gaut bläuht, gifft 't 'n Arwtenjohr* (Suckow Kreis Parchim); aus *
Bram* wurden Besen gebunden; die Knospen, *Bramkapern*, mußten in früherer
Zeit gesammelt und an die herzogliche Hofküche geliefert werden.
*Syn.: **Bessenkrut, -struk, Bramkrut, Hasenbram*, -geil. *Zs. *Zägenbram.
*FN. (Flurnamen) *Brambarg, -brauk, -koppel, -kul, -muur*, *-ri, -soll,* *
-wisch.
*Mnd. *brâm.*
* is hier begäng.
Lit.: Perfesser Voßlo

*Ginster, *m., Braam; Bent/Bentgras/Beent, m. und n.
Lit.: G. HARTE  *. *J. HARTE

Denn' Hasenbram nimmt Grotvarrer tau'n Bessenbinnen.
Lit.: Johannes Babst *Hier ward Platt snackt!*

*Ginster: *Die *nhd. *Form des Pflanzennamens geht über *mhd. *ginster,
genster zurück auf *ahd. *genster, geneste, das aus *lat. *genista
"Ginster" entlehnt ist. Das *lat. *Wort, auf dem z.B auch *it. *ginestra
"Ginster" und *frz. *genêt "Ginster" beruhen, ist dunklen Ursprungs.
Lit.: DUDEN 7

Geneit' den'n Lent.

Hanne

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