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[Lowlands Languages & Cultures]

"This explains the loss of the nasal." -- I'm sorry for being so 
ignorant, dear Marcel, but where is a nasal in any of these words? I am 
just trying to understand...

Hartlich

Marlou


Am 18.07.2017 um 14:52 schrieb Lowlands Languages & Cultures:
> Good afternoon, all, Michael,
>
> Indeed, High German _Pfad_, Dutch _pad_, and English _path_ did not 
> enter these languages through the normal *path*. According to my tutor 
> Michael de Vaan it entered the Germanic languages through an Eastern 
> Iranian language, and not through Latin.
>
> It must have entered the Germanic languages after Grimm's Law turned 
> PIE p- into f-, otherwise we would have had English *fath and Dutch *vad.
> Cf. Old Avestan _patha_ 'way'. This explains the loss of the nasal.
>
> The European plains have had visits from several Eastern Iranian 
> tribes such as the Sarmatians, who were dwelling in the Pontic steppe 
> through which they had access to these plains.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marcel.
>
> Op 18 jul. 2017 8:11 a.m. schreef "Lowlands Languages & Cultures" 
> <lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org 
> <mailto:lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org>>:
>
>     to put it into wider-than-Germanic perspective, the word is
>     definitely Indo-European: cf Russian  путь, Old Church Slavoinc
>     пѫть, Sanskrit पथः, and English path, Anglo-Saxon pæþ, Dutch pad,
>     and German Pfad, all with basically the same meaning path, way,
>     course, route. Indo-European would have been *panthis. And the
>     common link with Latin pons, acc. pontem, etc would indicate maybe
>     an even more basic meaning of the rood "how to get from here to there"
>
>     And, matching well with what Marcel said above about (High) German
>     words starting in *p, IE roots in *p- do not normally give German
>     words in in *p (ratehr, like Pfad, they give words in *pf-),
>     indicating that, although common Indo-European, and with Germanic
>     cognates, the German*p words got into German not by the normal
>     path (excuse the pun) but through borrowing (in this case no doubt
>     from Latin, though it could conceivably come form Low German...
>     though the nasal would tend to indicate Latin not Low German. If
>     the loan were very very early, then Slavic might also conceivably
>     be a source, but given the sense of the word, this seems unlikely)
>
>
>     Dr Michael W Morgan
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