Query: Nahuatl for "Venus"

[mario]

TLAHUIZCALPANTEKWTLI was seen as an "aspect" or version of Quetzalcoatl.

I understand that there is strong evidence for Venus as the morning star, being a war
instigating symbol amongst the Teotihuacano people, and amongst the Maya.

Someone else can probably give you better info in that regard.


mario
www.aguila.blanca.com




Michael Mccafferty wrote:

> This sounds good. Was morning Venus also referred as quelzalcoatl?
>
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, mario wrote:
>
> > in the mesoamerican belief system of my ancestors, Venus had two names reflecting its two
> > aspects.
> >
> > In the Nahuatl speaking world, Venus as the morning star was known as
> > TLAHUIZCALPANTEKWTLI":  I believe from Tlahuiz(tli) "light, dawn"  +  cal(li)  house +
> >  Pan(tli) wall + tekwtli (more commonly written as tecutli or teuctli, both of which do
> > an injustice to the "kw" sound, which is pronounced at the same time)  "The lord of the
> > house of the wall of light" or the lord of the house of dawn.
> >
> > Venus as the evening star was known as "Xolotl" which is either "young page" or "Monster"
> >
> > I think that the difference in meaning is probably due to vowel length difference.
> >
> > I lent my trusty Analytical dictionary of Nahuatl by Frances Karttunen, to my son at
> > UCLA, so I am lost as to the finer points of these definitions.
> >
> > I am sure someone more enlightened than myself can fill in the correct facts to this
> > humble
> > offering.
> >
> > Good luck to you!!!
> >
> > mario e. aguilar
> > www.aguila.blanca.com
> >
> > Heather Hess wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!  I actually remember seeing a reference of Venus in Nahuatl and can't
> > > remember where but this sounds familiar!  Yolohtzin
> > >
> > > >From: David Gloster <david.gloster at muenchen.roses.de>
> > > >Reply-To: nahuat-l at server2.umt.edu
> > > >To: nahuat-l at server2.umt.edu
> > > >Subject: Re: Query: Nahuatl for "Venus"
> > > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:33:16 +0100
> > > >
> > > >As no one else has yet come forth with an answer, here's my try:
> > > >
> > > >I seem to remember that Venus had two names in Nahuatl depending on whether
> > > >it was
> > > >visible as the morning star or the evening star. I think the morning name
> > > >was
> > > >TLAHUIZCALPANTEUCTLI but I've no way of checking it. Maybe someone with a
> > > >dictionary at
> > > >hand could look it up and confirm. I'm afraid I can't help you with the
> > > >evening version,
> > > >though.
> > > >
> > > >Best of luck
> > > >David Gloster
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Heather Hess wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Frances and Listeros:  Could you please give the Nahuatl (and spanish)
> > > >word
> > > > > for Venus.  Thanks!  Yolohtzin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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