tepi

[Lori Boornazian Diel]

I think Galen is right about the hand grasping glyph being read as "to
grasp" instead of as "hand," with the water then acting as both the
something grasped and a phonetic indicator.  Indeed, I just went back over
my M.A. Thesis ("A Comparative Study of Personal and Place Names in the
Aztec and Mayan Writing Systems," Tulane, 1996) in which I have a chapter on
Spanish names in Aztec writing and found the original citation for the Juan
glyph:  Robert Barlow in his study of the Codex of Tlatelolco identified the
Juan glyph and reads ana just as Galen did (see Tlatelolco: Fuentes e
Historia. Obras de Robert Barlow, vol. 2, INAH, 1989, p. 343).
In the Codex Aubin, the glyph has an associated annotation about the death
of a woman named Ana.
Lori


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Lori Boornazian Diel
Dept. of Art and Art History
TCU Box 298000
Texas Christian University
Fort Worth, TX 76129
817-257-6613


on 5/23/05 5:55 PM, Delia Cosentino at dacosentino at EARTHLINK.NET wrote:

> Lori--I think you've answer A LOT of questions (not just mine) with your
> extraordinarily helpful observation. Indeed, the woman with the surname Tepi
> does have the first name Ana. I just couldn't even imagine the connection to
> the glyph so I didn't even mention it--but what you offer certainly explains
> it. I'll have to check out the Aubin image (did you first identify that
> glyph as Ana or is it spelled out in the codex? Ditto for the Juan glyph).
> So, I guess the upshot is that a hand CAN grasp water and it isn't so
> strange--especially for those named Ana! MIL GRACIAS, Delia
>
> Delia Cosentino
> Department of Art and Art History
> DePaul University
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Lori Boornazian Diel
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:47 PM
> To: NAHUAT-L at LISTS.UMN.EDU
> Subject: Re: tepi
>
> In the Codex Aubin, a glyph of a hand grasping water (at 12 House 1569) is
> used from the name Ana, a(tl) + ma(itl) for a-ma.  Also, in the Codex of
> Tlatelolco, the name glyph for Juan is written with a year sign (for xiuh-)
> and then a hand grasping water,  thereby giving xiuh-a-m(a) or an
> approximation of Juan (this happens in 5 different places in the ms).  So if
> it's a reference to a colonial woman, could it be her first name, Ana?  I'm
> pretty sure I've seen this glyph elsewhere for the name Ana as well.
> Best,
> Lori Diel
>
>
>
> --
> Lori Boornazian Diel
> Dept. of Art and Art History
> TCU Box 298000
> Texas Christian University
> Fort Worth, TX 76129
> 817-257-6613
>
>
>
> on 5/23/05 11:01 AM, John F. Schwaller at schwallr at morris.umn.edu wrote:
>
>> At 10:53 AM 5/23/2005, you wrote:
>>> In
>>> any case, the name "Amapichtli" would also seem kind of strange in the
>>> sense that you can't really grasp water because it isn't solid. But
>>> there might be some interesting philosophical implications there.
>>
>>
>> We also do not see naked bottoms growing out of trees [Huexotzinco], but
>> the glyph is not uncommon.  Obviously the point I am making is that the
>> "tzinco" of naked bottom is just a glyph for "tzinco" frequently glossed
> as
>> new Tollan --> Tollantzinco
>>
>> Similarly, if the glyph described does exist [hand grasping water], and it
>> is not one I recall, could the "water" part be standing in for something
>> else?  I am drawing a blank, but others might be able to see it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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