Tula vs. Teotihuacan

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 Hi All:
 
 I always heard Teotihuacan translated as the place where the gods were made. Which sounds pretty much just as Michael has translated it. Tula was always presented as an hispanization of Tollan or place of reeds or place of a bundle of reeds. Which was the term for "The" administrative center. The term became wide spread and was rendered in many different toponyms, Tula, Tulantzingo...cingo etc. It was never clear to me what the concept was except that to be a legitimate ruler in the time of the Toltecs it was neccessary to have your reign "approved" at Tollan. I once saw an argument that much of what the Aztecs were doing with their conquests was to gather together enough of the centers of power in the Mesoamerican world to make themselves the next "Tollan".
 
 Cheers,
    Hugh G. "Sam" Ball
 
 And remember:
 
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 -----Original Message-----
 From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu
 To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
 Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Tula vs. Teotihuacan
 
  this question made the rounds a few years ago. i don't remember what was said. ^^ 
 
 The thing is, Henry's comparison is stilted since cochi is intransitive and "teotia" is causative. 
 
 my guess would that we have instransitive teoti = "to become a God," similar to tlacati = "to become a human," i.e., "to be born". I'm not sure such a phrase can be precisely translated into English. What? "Place where they are to be Gods". 
 
 Hmmmm... 
 
 michael 
 
 
 Quoting Henry Kammler <h.kammler at em.uni-frankfurt.de>: 
 
 > Wouldn't Teotihuacan be 
 > 
 > TEO:(tl) -TI(a) -HUA -CA:N 
 > god -CAUS -IMPERS -LOC 
 > 
 > "Place where gods are made" 
 > 
 > for -hua compare /cochihua/ "there is sleeping, people sleep" (easier 
 > to translate in other languages, French "on dort", German "man 
 > schläft") 
 > would be the same as /cochilo/ 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > Henry 
 > 
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