rose flower

[Susana Moraleda]

Thanks a lot Joe and Anthony!! Yes, let's clear out the smoke... that was my
own mistake. I realize now. It is tlapalpopozo and not tlapalpopoco or
popoca... mmm.. but what is "popozo"?? Does it then relate to popotl?  (what
we call in Mexico "popote", or drinking straw, or just straws)  but....
where are the straws in a rose?

That was an incredible list and I really appreciate you taking so much time
to share it with me (us). Huey huey tlazocamati. Actually the other word
that "rings the bell" for me is Cueponcayotl, and would like to know more
about its etimology, if I may.

I don't know if roses were present in Mexico before the Spanish invasion.
I recall the story of Juan Diego and Cuauhtlapcupeuh, but that was a decade
after 1521. So much for the inclusion of the word "castillan" before
xochitl.

Susana


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ANTHONY APPLEYARD" <a.appleyard at btinternet.com>
To: <nahuatl at lists.famsi.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 6:54 PM
Subject: [Nahuat-l] rose flower


> --- Susana Moraleda <susana at losrancheros.org> wrote:
> > May I take the opportunity to also ask what is the Nahuatl word for
> > the flower "rose"? - Molina says "tlapalpopoco" but I cannot
> > understand what is the role of smoke here!
> > Thank you a lot. Susana Moraleda
>
> Karttunen's dictionary lists these words:-
> - [popo_tl] (plural -meh) = "plant used to make brooms; broom, straw /
> escoba"
> - [tlapal-li]= "dye, color" (must have an owner?)
>
> But "at the colored broom-like plant" would be [tlapalpopo_c].
>
> Were roses native to Mexico?
>
> Citlalyani.
>
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