xinechpalehuican
brokaw at buffalo.edu
brokaw at buffalo.edu
Fri Mar 2 15:18:21 UTC 2007
As I was reading Henry's comments, another idea for chinequiztli occured
to me. Could this "chi" be from the "chichi" associatd with suckling and
milk. If I am not mistaken, even today in Mexico "chichi" can refer to a
woman's breasts. So, might this mean literally something like "desire
for milk from suckling" and extended to refer more generally to whining
and fussing?
Galen
Quoting Henry Kammler <h.kammler at em.uni-frankfurt.de>:
> A mind boggling list indeed.
>
> >> axtic. moist; watery.
> Maybe the archaic root variant /a:l/ of /a:/ (like in /a:ltepe:tl/)
> developed an additional variant by way of devoicing the /l/, like
> [a:l]
> > [a:L] > *[a:?]
>
> Karttunen has /a:x=in/ for a certain insect and a medical substance
> (liquid?) that it secretes.
>
> >> ayotzincuepa =nin. boltear al modo de espan~a. 55m-2
> >> ayotzincuepa =nin. boltear o trepar al modo de espan~a.
> 71m2-1
> Even the Spanish part is a riddle to me. Would that be a military or
>
> chess term? "flipping like a turtle" "changing sides like pumpkins"?
>
> >> ** can this be related to "nequi"?
> >> ...but what is the "chi-"?
> >>
> >> chinequiztli. nin~o que llora mucho. 71m1-16
>
> There's a risk of comparing apples with pears but modern Oapan (and
> some neighbors) has that clitic too:
> chi pite:ntsi:n "pretty small"
> chi kwaltsi:n "really pretty"
>
> tichi amigos yeskeh "we will be real good friends" (alligator talking
>
> to Old Burro trying to convince him to carry him to the river)
>
>
> >> ** probably "i:xtli" and "tetl", and the "-uh" is a possessive
> >> marker,
> >> but what is the "o"?
> >> ixteouh =to. nin~a del ojo. 71m1-16
>
> It might be connected to /o'tli/ "way", though this has the possessed
>
> form /o'wi/ but the root is /o'/ and in a body part term it may have
>
> taken on a different morphological behavior. Many "ifs" involved
> again...
>
> >> pozolatl. beuida de mayz cozido. 71m2-14
>
> I'd spontaneously agree with Galen. /posolli/ is basically "mayz
> cocido" (Karttunen references it with /poso:ni/)
>
> Sa:n o:me nocentavitoh o:nikinkalakti ;-)
>
> Henry
>
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