a question about "yatoc", not about Aztec

[John Sullivan, Ph.D.]

Michael,
	-toc is the normal construction for talking about 'states' in this  
variant.
nicuatochyatoc, "I am seated in a squatting position"
nicuatochyatoya, "I was seated......"
nicuatochyatoz, "I will be seated....."
xicuatochyato, "Sit down....."
John
On Feb 27, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Michael McCafferty wrote:

> Muy curioso, John.
>
> It looks, of course, like you have *ni-cuatoch-yatoc.
>
> It's important, perhaps, to recall that the vowel of the verb /ya:/
> does shorten in compounds. So, your -ya- could be 'go', and that you
> have, naturally, a preterit-as-present verb here. In this connection,
> it could be that there is some analogical process going on with the
> verb 'lie down', onoc.
>
> Does this verb come in other tenses, say, a pluperfect-as-past? That
> is, do you see *(o)nicuatochyatoca? 'I was squatting'?
>
> -cuatoch- in humorous.
>
>
> Michael
>
> Quoting "John Sullivan, Ph.D." <idiez at me.com>:
>
>> Listeros,
>> 	Here at the institute we have two interesting words.
>> 1. niyatoc, "I am seated"
>> 2. nicuatochyatoc, "I'm in a squatting position".
>> 	It is not yahtoc, and therefore the root is not yauh, "to go" (but
>> see below). And I don't know if cuatochyatoc is
>> 	cuatoch(in) + yatoc             or
>> 	cuatochya + [t(i) + o + c]
>> The second option perhaps suggest that the imperfect tense ya
>> morpheme  and perhaps the inceptive -ya verbalizer and perhaps the
>> particle ya,  "already" have a verbal origin. Yes, certain forms of
>> "to go" have a  long vowel (the above yatoc does not), but that could
>> be because of  the postulated older form of the class 4, yata, which
>> upon losing the - ta lengthened the preceding a.
>> 	So.......... any ideas?
>> John
>>
>> John Sullivan, Ph.D.
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