scratching the surface

[Michael McCafferty]

Guten tag, Gordon,

Someone sent me examples of -taca, including mamataca, which seem to 
indicate the existence of an older form */taka/.

Michael

Quoting Gordon Whittaker <gwhitta4 at googlemail.com>:

> Hi Michael, Joe and Mario,
>
> I should get a hold of Stubbs some day. But I think there is a
> simpler resolution to this specific problem. Uto-Aztecan *ta becomes
> Proto-Nahuatl *tla. So tataca is either a loanword or onomatopoeic.
> (Perhaps even Otom-atopoeic, if plumbed from the vocabulary of
> certain neighbours.) There are precious few words with ta- in tl-
> varieties of Nahuatl, and they seem indeed to be loanwords in most
> cases.
>
> Anyway, happy hunting!
>
> Best wishes,
> Gordon
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 03/04/2012, at 7:00 PM, nahuatl-request at lists.famsi.org wrote:
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>> Date: Mon,  2 Apr 2012 18:49:31 -0400
>> From: "Campbell,  R. Joe" <campbel at indiana.edu>
>> To: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
>> Cc: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] scratching the surface
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>> Michael,
>>
>>   I checked Brian Stubbs' _Uto-Aztecan: A Comparative Vocabulary_ and
>> couldn't find a /taka/ that was related to "dig".  Maybe someone else
>> can look better.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
>>
>>> Do you all suppose that in the verb /tataka/, the first ta- is an old
>>> reduplicative prefix? In other words, do you think the original
>>> (Proto-Nahuatl?)  form was */taka/?
>>>
>>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Michael
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>> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:13:18 -0700
>> From: Mario Aguilar <micc at cox.net>
>> To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] scratching the surface
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>> I must have missed the first part of this discussion.  Could it be
>> related to "toca" to bury something"
>>
>> On 4/2/2012 3:49 PM, Campbell, R. Joe wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>>  I checked Brian Stubbs' _Uto-Aztecan: A Comparative Vocabulary_ and
>>> couldn't find a /taka/ that was related to "dig".  Maybe someone else
>>> can look better.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
>>>
>>>> Do you all suppose that in the verb /tataka/, the first ta- is an old
>>>> reduplicative prefix? In other words, do you think the original
>>>> (Proto-Nahuatl?)  form was */taka/?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
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>> Date: Tue,  3 Apr 2012 10:14:07 -0400
>> From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
>> To: Mario Aguilar <micc at cox.net>, nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] scratching the surface
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>> Ahmo, Mario. Otiquittac ixquich.
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>> Michael
>>
>> Quoting Mario Aguilar <micc at cox.net>:
>>
>>> I must have missed the first part of this discussion.  Could it be
>>> related to "toca" to bury something"
>>>
>>> On 4/2/2012 3:49 PM, Campbell, R. Joe wrote:
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>>  I checked Brian Stubbs' _Uto-Aztecan: A Comparative Vocabulary_
>>>> and couldn't find a /taka/ that was related to "dig".  Maybe someone
>>>> else can look better.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you all suppose that in the verb /tataka/, the first ta- is an old
>>>>> reduplicative prefix? In other words, do you think the original
>>>>> (Proto-Nahuatl?)  form was */taka/?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
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