scratching the surface

[Gordon Whittaker]

Hi Michael, Joe and Mario, 

I should get a hold of Stubbs some day. But I think there is a simpler resolution to this specific problem. Uto-Aztecan *ta becomes Proto-Nahuatl *tla. So tataca is either a loanword or onomatopoeic. (Perhaps even Otom-atopoeic, if plumbed from the vocabulary of certain neighbours.) There are precious few words with ta- in tl- varieties of Nahuatl, and they seem indeed to be loanwords in most cases. 

Anyway, happy hunting! 

Best wishes, 
Gordon

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> Date: Mon,  2 Apr 2012 18:49:31 -0400
> From: "Campbell,  R. Joe" <campbel at indiana.edu>
> To: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
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> Michael,
> 
>   I checked Brian Stubbs' _Uto-Aztecan: A Comparative Vocabulary_ and 
> couldn't find a /taka/ that was related to "dig".  Maybe someone else 
> can look better.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
> 
>> Do you all suppose that in the verb /tataka/, the first ta- is an old
>> reduplicative prefix? In other words, do you think the original
>> (Proto-Nahuatl?)  form was */taka/?
>> 
>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>> 
>> Michael
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> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:13:18 -0700
> From: Mario Aguilar <micc at cox.net>
> To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] scratching the surface
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> I must have missed the first part of this discussion.  Could it be 
> related to "toca" to bury something"
> 
> On 4/2/2012 3:49 PM, Campbell, R. Joe wrote:
>> Michael,
>> 
>>  I checked Brian Stubbs' _Uto-Aztecan: A Comparative Vocabulary_ and 
>> couldn't find a /taka/ that was related to "dig".  Maybe someone else 
>> can look better.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
>> 
>>> Do you all suppose that in the verb /tataka/, the first ta- is an old
>>> reduplicative prefix? In other words, do you think the original
>>> (Proto-Nahuatl?)  form was */taka/?
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Michael
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> Date: Tue,  3 Apr 2012 10:14:07 -0400
> From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
> To: Mario Aguilar <micc at cox.net>, nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] scratching the surface
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> Ahmo, Mario. Otiquittac ixquich.
> 
> Michael
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> Quoting Mario Aguilar <micc at cox.net>:
> 
>> I must have missed the first part of this discussion.  Could it be
>> related to "toca" to bury something"
>> 
>> On 4/2/2012 3:49 PM, Campbell, R. Joe wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>> 
>>>  I checked Brian Stubbs' _Uto-Aztecan: A Comparative Vocabulary_
>>> and couldn't find a /taka/ that was related to "dig".  Maybe someone
>>> else can look better.
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
>>> 
>>>> Do you all suppose that in the verb /tataka/, the first ta- is an old
>>>> reduplicative prefix? In other words, do you think the original
>>>> (Proto-Nahuatl?)  form was */taka/?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your thoughts.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael
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