tlacoyoctli

[IDIEZ]

Hi Michael,
	The progression would be coyoni (verb) > coyoctli (noun) > coyocti or coyoctiya (verb) > coyoctic ([adjectival] noun).
	It wouldn't be coyahua or coyahuiya: that's for s.t. to become distended, like the neck of a sweater that you have to stretch out so your head can fit through. It (the example) would fit if there were a coyohua, nic., that had to do with perforating, but this word is already taken: it means to howl.
	Perhaps one of the more worldly, experienced participants of nahuat-l is chuckling right now in cyberspace, waiting for a convenient moment to post the answer to this question.
John

On Feb 28, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Michael McCafferty wrote:

> Hola, John,
> 
> Don't know if this is any help, but tlacoyoctli seems to hint at another verb in the form of *coyocti, as there is another word for 'hole' and 'something with holes', which is "coyoctic". This in turn may be related to coyahua.  Interesting question.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> Quoting IDIEZ <idiez at me.com>:
> 
>> Piyali nohuihuiticapoyohuan,
>> 	I have a problem that probably wouldn?t be so serious if I got out
>> more often....
>> 	?Tlacoyoctli,? ?a hole? seems to be what Andrews calls a ?Perfective
>> Patientive Noun? and he gives lots of examples at the beginning of
>> Lesson 39 in the most recent edition of his grammar. The problem is
>> that the only verb root this noun could come from is ?coyonia, nic?,
>> ?to perforate/make a hole in s.t.? But structurally it seems to come
>> from ?coyoni,? the intransitive ?to become perforated,? or an
>> unattested and ridiculous ?coyona.? It is as if ?coyonia? has either
>> lost the entire ?-ia? or has reverted to the intransitive form before
>> switching into a noun. What is going on?
>> John
>> 
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