etihcihui

Mon Apr 1 22:51:59 UTC 2013

I wonder, Joe, if the et- is an allomorph of etl.

As you know, a:tl forms the unexpected allomorph a:tl- as in a:tli, 
a:tlihua, a:tlihualoni, even a:tli:xco, I suppose, although the latter 
is probably originally two separate words, nicht wahr?

If one wanted to combine etl with (i)hcihui, how would one do it?

Ma: ye cue:l yehhua:tl!

Michael

Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:

> Hey Joe,
> 	¿Naman canin ticholoz?
> 	And, even though I've never seen "ihcihui" used as an auxiliary
> verb, we should never say never, right? So, how about a little dose
> of haplology?
> "eti(ya)+t(i)-ihcihui" and then get rid of one of the "ti"s.
> John
>
> On Apr 1, 2013, at 3:40 PM, John F. Schwaller <schwallr at potsdam.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 13:28:41 -0400
>>   From: "Campbell,  R. Joe" <campbel at indiana.edu>
>> Reply-To: "Campbell,  R. Joe" <campbel at indiana.edu>
>> Subject: etihcihui
>>     To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
>>
>> Nocnihuan,
>>
>>  I have another problem with a word.  The basic part of the word is
>> "etihcihui".
>> I think that the elements of it are:
>>
>> e(tl)      bean
>> ti         verber suffix
>> ihcihui    hurry, harrass, ??
>>
>>  The problem resides in the fact that eti- is verbal and -ihcihui is
>> verbal, so they wouldn't be expected to splice together in a word.
>>
>>  In the sections below, I list (1) all the sentences from the
>> Florentine Codex that contain relevant examples and (2) notes from the
>> Florentine and from Molina's dictionaries.
>>
>> Any help will be appreciated,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> etihcihui**
>>
>> 1. auh in quinapaloa telpochtequihuaque cenca *eticihui*, iuhquin
>>    tzitzintlacza:.
>>     and as the young seasoned warriors carried them in their
>>    arms, they were much weighed down; it was as if they ran
>>    on their buttocks. (b.2 f.5 p.101).
>>
>>
>> onetihcihuiz**
>>
>> 3. tlacatle, totecue, tloquee, nahuaquee: manozo tlacahua in
>>    moyollotzin, ma xicmomacahuili, ma xicmonextili, ma xicmomachiotili
>>    in ac yehhuatl, in mitzommotlapialiliz in tlatquiz, in tlamamaz,
>>    in *oneticihuiz* in conahuiltiz in atl, in tepetl, in imetzpan
>>    contlatlalitiez, in conahuiltiz, in contlahuihuitequiliz
>>    in atl, in tepetl:.
>>     "o master, o our lord, o lord of the near, of the nigh,
>>    incline thy heart; concede, reveal, designate which one
>>    will guard for thee, will govern, will fortify, will gladden
>>    the city; which one will place the city upon his thigh,
>>    will fondle it, will dandle it?" (b.6 f.2 p.24).
>>
>> tetihcihuiz**
>>
>> 4. tehhuatl ticiahuiz, tehhuatl *teticihuiz*, tiquimile, ticacaxe
>>    tiez,.
>>     thou art to become tired, to feel the weight; thou art
>>    to be the one with the bundle, the carrying frame. (b.6
>>    f.15 p.184).
>>
>> tiquetihcihuiz**
>>
>> 5. *tiqueticihuiz*, ticciammiquiz in cuitlapilli, in atlapalli:
>>    ca huei tlamamalli in otocommama, in huitlan tonac:.
>>     thou wilt find heavy, thou wilt find tiring the common
>>    folk, for great is the burden which thou hast shouldered,
>>    which thou hast undertaken. (b.6 f.20 p.258).
>>
>> tonetihcihui**
>>
>> 6. ca oc *toneticihui*, ca oc tommitonia in petlapan; in icpalpan:
>>    in oncan ayatlamattihui, in aontlayecotihui:.
>>     for yet thou art burdened, thou sweatest from the government
>>    which here is intolerable, insufferable. (b.6 f.15 p.187).
>>
>> tonetihcihuiz**
>>
>> 7. a ca oc tehuatl *toneticihuiz*, ca oc tehuatl tiquinquimilpatlaz,
>>    tiquincacaxcehuiz in motechiuhcahuan in teteuctin in tlatoque
>>    in mitzmocahuilitehuaque,.
>>     "yet it is thou: thou wilt take over the burden, thou wilt
>>    take the bundle, thou wilt carry the carrying frame for
>>    thy progenitors, the lords, the rulers who departed bequeathing
>>    it to thee." the carrying frame (b.6 f.4 p.48).
>>
>> *************
>>
>> Note: $ is a separator
>>     -- is my indication for one or more missing morphemes
>>
>> ;etihcihui , ton.
>>  you are burdened  << 6 15>>   p12-o:n-etl--ihcihui
>>
>>
>> ;etihcihui.
>>  ___  << 2  5>>   etl--ihcihui
>>
>>
>> ;etihcihuitia , nin.
>>  pesado hazerse {55m-15}   __ __
>>  pesado hazerse {71m1-171}   __ __
>>
>>
>> ;etihcihuitia , nite.
>>  agrauiar con demasiada carga {71m1-012}   __ __
>>  agrauiar con demasiada carga {55m-001} p11-p52-etl--ihcihui-caus02
>>  ser pesado a otro
>>  o cansarlo con carga muy pesada {71m2-5} p11-p52-etl--ihcihui-caus02
>>
>>
>> ;etihcihuiz , on.
>>  ___  << 6  2>>   o:n-etl--ihcihui-z
>>
>>
>> ;ixcuaetihcihui , n.
>>  doler la frente del peso de la carga que lleua el tameme {71m1-082}   p11
>>       i:xtli-cua:itl--ihcihui
>>
>>
>> ;ixcuaetihcihuiliztli.
>>  dolor tal  (tal is doler la frente del peso de la carga que lleua el
>>       tameme) {71m1-082}   i:xtli-cua:itl--ihcihui-liz
>>
>>
>> ;ixcuayetihcihui , n.
>>  doler la frente al tameme {71m2-8} p11-i:xtli-cua:itl-etl--ihcihui
>>
>>
>> ;te$etihcihuiliztli.
>>  agrauio tal  (tal is agrauiar con demasiada carga) {71m1-012}   __ __
>>  pesadumbre de cosa pesada y que da trabajo {71m2-16} p52-etl--ihcihui
>>       liz
>>
>>
>> ;te$etihcihuitiliztli.
>>  agrauio tal  (tal is agrauiar con demasiada carga) {55m-001} p52-etl-
>>       ihcihui-caus02-liz
>>
>>
>> ;t$etihcihuiz.
>>  you will feel weight  << 6 15>>   p12-etl--ihcihui-z
>>
>>
>> ;tiqu$etihcihuiz.
>>  ___  << 6 20>>   p12-p33-etl--ihcihui-z
>>
>>
>> ;tla$etihcihuitilli.
>>  agrauiado assi  (assi is agrauiar con demasiada carga) {71m1-012}   __ __
>>  agrauiado assi  (assi is agrauiar con demasiada carga) {55m-001} p51-etl
>>       ihcihui-caus02-l1
>>  el que esta fatigado con carga pesada o con otra cosa semejante {71m2-21}
>>       p51-etl--ihcihui-caus02-l1
>>
>>
>> ;ton$etihcihuiz.
>>  you will be burdened  << 6  4>>   p12-o:n--ihcihui-z
>>
>>
>> ;ye $etihcihui.
>>  assiento hazer el hedificio {55m-1}   ye1 etl-v01a?--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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