Nahuatl Digest, Vol 284, Issue 3

Sat Jan 26 19:05:49 UTC 2013

I found Mr. Acatecatl's past tense prefix o- written separate from the 
verb as native speaker's predilection, so to speak, since that o- can 
have intermittent quanta before the appearance of the verb stem, as for 
example, in "ohuel mic" rather than the equally workable "huel omic".

I'm not sure why we write the possessive suffixes attached to the 
nouns. They seem to *work* unattached.

Mr. Acatecatl, how would you write "I saw him" using the verb "itta"?

Michael

Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:

> Quitemoa, "él/ella lo/la busca. María quitemoa icoton, "María busca
> su blusa."
> Nitemoc, Onitemoc, "bajé". Ic ompa nitemoc, "Por allí bajé."
> 	"qui-",  "i-" y "o-" son prefijos, no palabras independientes
>
> On Jan 25, 2013, at 9:44 PM, Jacinto Acatecatl <tekuani at hotmail.es> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> ki temohua: busca (3ra. persona),  María ki temohua i koton (Maria
>> busca su atuendo/vestimenta).
>>
>> ni temok/ o nitemok: baje, Ik ompa inrtemik (por ahí baje).
>>
>>
>>
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>>> Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
>>> 	I am editing a text in Modern Tlaxcalan Nahuatl for publication,
>>> and there is something I can't explain. The intransitive verb, "to
>>> descend", which according to my logic should be nitemoc (pret),
>>> nitemo (pres.) and nitemoz (fut), actually works like this:
>>> nitemoc (pret)
>>> nitemoa (pres.)
>>> nitemoz (fut.)
>>> 	What in going on with this mictlantlahtolli? And I've
>>> double-checked: that final "c" in the singular preterite really is
>>> a "c".
>>> 	I know that some verbs fudge around between verb classes depending
>>> on the tense (like "to go", for example), but I don't know if there
>>> is a better explanation here.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 19:08:09 -0500
>>> From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
>>> To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] temo, temoa
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>>> Of course, nitemohua, as far as I know, would be, at least in the
>>> classical language, ungrammatical. But, as you know, John, -oa is often
>>> written for -ohua.
>>>
>>> Interesting. Always a surprise.
>>>
>>> We just discovered over the last twenty-four hours that a
>>> pan-Algonquian verb root for 'trade, buy' got lost in the Algonquian
>>> language Miami-Illinois and then was brought back by *French* traders
>>> who had learned the verb root from other Algonquian-speaking groups,
>>> and then Miami-Illinoized to look just like it would have looked before
>>> it was lost.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
>>>
>>>> Could nitemoa be the non-active form of temo, i.e., nitemohua?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
>>>>> 	I am editing a text in Modern Tlaxcalan Nahuatl for publication, and
>>>>> there is something I can't explain. The intransitive verb, "to
>>>>> descend", which according to my logic should be nitemoc (pret),
>>>>> nitemo (pres.) and nitemoz (fut), actually works like this:
>>>>> nitemoc (pret)
>>>>> nitemoa (pres.)
>>>>> nitemoz (fut.)
>>>>> 	What in going on with this mictlantlahtolli? And I've
>>>>> double-checked: that final "c" in the singular preterite really is a
>>>>> "c".
>>>>> 	I know that some verbs fudge around between verb classes depending
>>>>> on the tense (like "to go", for example), but I don't know if there
>>>>> is a better explanation here.
>>>>> John
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>>> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:50:19 -0500
>>> From: Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>
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>>> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] temo, temoa
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>>> Could nitemoa be the non-active form of temo, i.e., nitemohua?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
>>>
>>>> Piyali notequixpoyohuan,
>>>> 	I am editing a text in Modern Tlaxcalan Nahuatl for publication, and
>>>> there is something I can't explain. The intransitive verb, "to
>>>> descend", which according to my logic should be nitemoc (pret),
>>>> nitemo (pres.) and nitemoz (fut), actually works like this:
>>>> nitemoc (pret)
>>>> nitemoa (pres.)
>>>> nitemoz (fut.)
>>>> 	What in going on with this mictlantlahtolli? And I've
>>>> double-checked: that final "c" in the singular preterite really is a
>>>> "c".
>>>> 	I know that some verbs fudge around between verb classes depending
>>>> on the tense (like "to go", for example), but I don't know if there
>>>> is a better explanation here.
>>>> John
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