name for a lime kiln

[Campbell, R. Joe]

Michael, John, and all,

   I have spent a good deal of time (not recently) with a good friend 
who speaks Tlaxcallan Nahuatl.  We focused on the leftward stress 
movement at one point and discussed words such at "tlacualiztl" and 
"tzotzomahtl".  My phonetic memory is that there were no final 
voiceless [i]'s, even ones that were hard to hear |8-) ...

   Another argument for the lack of a final voiceless vowel segment in 
these words is that the stress moves one syllable to the left and the 
integrity of the penultimate stress pattern is maintained by the 
*dropping* of the final vowel. The maintenance of a final voiceless 
vowel would create an irregular stress pattern.

   BUT the strongest evidence for the lack of final voiceless vowels is 
that they are not there -- not audible.  I have a collection of 
recordings from various dialects of Spanish that contain a number of 
examples of voiceless vowels -- recordings which have been played 
hundreds of times and perceived by hundreds of phonetics students. A 
voiceless vowel is a segment that is perceivably high or low, front or 
back, rounded or unrounded, etc. -- in other words, it has all the 
characteristics of the corresponding voiced vowel except voicing.

Joe


Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:

> John,
>
> I wonder there is in fact a devoiced /i/ that is hard to hear..
>
> Michael
>
>
> Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
>
>> Modern Tlaxcallan Nahuatl has "nemiliztl", tlacualiztl, etc., with
>> the accent on the penultimate syllable.
>> John
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Michael McCafferty
>> <mmccaffe at indiana.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me rephrase (re-ihcuiloa) what I said, as I was typing too fast:
>>>
>>>
>>> As I mentioned to Tom off-list last week, he may have an "L"
>>> dialect, and needs to find that out.
>>>
>>> Since the basic morpheme for 'grass' is /xiw-/, it does not seem
>>> impossible for a dialect to reanalyze this term as /xiwtli/ (or
>>> /xiwli/ in an "L" dialect), as there are commonly used terms that
>>> end in /-xiwtli/ such as icxiuhtli and huexiuhtli that would serve
>>> as a basis and stimulation for such a reanalysis.
>>>
>>> (It would be very odd for xihuitl to be reanalyzed as *xiuhtl
>>> because of those two consonants /?/ (glottal stop) and /tl/ coming
>>> up against each other. A reanalysis would much more likely result in
>>> *xiuhtli.)
>>>
>>> If reanalysis has occurred, then what Tom could be essentially
>>> 'xiuhtli itempa(n)', 'on the grass's lip', which mirrors the Spanish
>>> translation he was given.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
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