name for a lime kiln
Campbell, R. Joe
campbel at indiana.edu
Tue Mar 19 04:12:25 UTC 2013
Michael, John, and all,
I have spent a good deal of time (not recently) with a good friend
who speaks Tlaxcallan Nahuatl. We focused on the leftward stress
movement at one point and discussed words such at "tlacualiztl" and
"tzotzomahtl". My phonetic memory is that there were no final
voiceless [i]'s, even ones that were hard to hear |8-) ...
Another argument for the lack of a final voiceless vowel segment in
these words is that the stress moves one syllable to the left and the
integrity of the penultimate stress pattern is maintained by the
*dropping* of the final vowel. The maintenance of a final voiceless
vowel would create an irregular stress pattern.
BUT the strongest evidence for the lack of final voiceless vowels is
that they are not there -- not audible. I have a collection of
recordings from various dialects of Spanish that contain a number of
examples of voiceless vowels -- recordings which have been played
hundreds of times and perceived by hundreds of phonetics students. A
voiceless vowel is a segment that is perceivably high or low, front or
back, rounded or unrounded, etc. -- in other words, it has all the
characteristics of the corresponding voiced vowel except voicing.
Quoting Michael McCafferty <mmccaffe at indiana.edu>:
> I wonder there is in fact a devoiced /i/ that is hard to hear..
> Quoting John Sullivan <idiez at me.com>:
>> Modern Tlaxcallan Nahuatl has "nemiliztl", tlacualiztl, etc., with
>> the accent on the penultimate syllable.
>> On Mar 17, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Michael McCafferty
>> <mmccaffe at indiana.edu> wrote:
>>> Let me rephrase (re-ihcuiloa) what I said, as I was typing too fast:
>>> As I mentioned to Tom off-list last week, he may have an "L"
>>> dialect, and needs to find that out.
>>> Since the basic morpheme for 'grass' is /xiw-/, it does not seem
>>> impossible for a dialect to reanalyze this term as /xiwtli/ (or
>>> /xiwli/ in an "L" dialect), as there are commonly used terms that
>>> end in /-xiwtli/ such as icxiuhtli and huexiuhtli that would serve
>>> as a basis and stimulation for such a reanalysis.
>>> (It would be very odd for xihuitl to be reanalyzed as *xiuhtl
>>> because of those two consonants /?/ (glottal stop) and /tl/ coming
>>> up against each other. A reanalysis would much more likely result in
>>> If reanalysis has occurred, then what Tom could be essentially
>>> 'xiuhtli itempa(n)', 'on the grass's lip', which mirrors the Spanish
>>> translation he was given.
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