"Gay" in Nahuatl?

Wed May 7 17:55:57 UTC 2014

Hi, Michael

This “xe” belongs to the “question - particles”. Other particles of the same kind are: “xa”, “xoh”, “cox”
Particles that I find related hereto are “cuix” and “azo” in classical nahuatl. 
Here their meaning (approximately) in English and Spanish:
1) 
(a)xá: maybe, then..?; será que …, entonces…?
Example: Xa ticnequi tiaz cineco. 
Eng. Do you, maybe, want to to go to the movies? Then, do you want to go to movies? 
Sp. ¿Será que quieres ir al cine? ¿Quieres ir al cine, tal vez?
2) 
Xoh: really…?; ¿De veras …
Example: Xoh ticnequi tiaz cineco. 
Eng: Do you really want to go to the movies?
Sp.: ¿De veras quieres ir al cine?
3)
Xe: Tell me,  is it true that; a poco …
Exemple: Xe ticnequi tiaz cineco.
Eng.: Tell me, is it true that you want to go to the movies (I supposed that you do not like it) 
Sp.: A poco (de veras) quieres ir al cine. 
4)
Cox: particle to question; partícula para preguntar. 
Example: cox ticnequi tiaz cineco. 
Eng.: Do yo want to go to the movies?
Sp. ¿Quieres ir al cine?

For better understanding, I think its important to mention the possible answers: 
1. Quema nicnequi niaz.Yes, I want to go.
2. Ahmo, caah nicnequi niaz / Ahmo, ahmo nicnequi niaz. No, I don want to go: 
3. Quén yeh ahmo, achá quema. Why not? Maybe yes.
4. Quema. Yes

> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 10:14:49 -0400
> From: mmccaffe at indiana.edu
> To: t.amaya at eninfinitum.com
> CC: ximena.gutierrez at comunidad.unam.mx; magnuspharao at gmail.com; nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] "Gay" in Nahuatl?
> 
> 
> In the examples that you gave yesterday, you used the word "Xe" with 
> yes-no questions. I'm not familiar with this word. Does it have a 
> cognate in classical Nahuatl?
> 
> Thank you, Tomas,
> 
> Michael
> 
> Quoting Tomas Amaya <t.amaya at eninfinitum.com>:
> 
> > Hola Ximena,
> >
> > Cihuayolotl may mean woman's heart or female heart. In Spanish:
> > corazón de mujer o corazón femenino. Maybe your teacher referred to
> > "cihuayotl" which means femininity or "what is typical of a woman"
> > (Spanish: femineidad; "lo de la mujer").
> >
> >
> >
> > There is another possibility: that your teacher was speaking
> > metaphorically (I do not know if pejoratively or not); if it is the
> > case, the meaning of "cihuayolotl" may be: "the one who being man has
> > the heart of a woman". Here, we could also make use of the possessive
> > : cihuayoleh (the one who has a female heart).
> >
> >
> >
> > The example can be extended in Cuetzalan-Nahuat:
> >
> > "Cihuayoleh" referred to a man "could" mean "homosexual", but its
> > first meaning is "a sensible man". "Oquichyoleh" ("who has a male
> > heart") "could" mean "lesbian", but principally: "a strong woman".
> >
> > Saludos/regards
> >
> > Tomas Amaya
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 22:27:14 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] "Gay" in Nahuatl?
> > From: ximena.gutierrez at comunidad.unam.mx
> > To: t.amaya at eninfinitum.com
> > CC: magnuspharao at gmail.com; nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> >
> >
> >
> > I heard that the word is "cihuayolotl". This was said to me by a
> > nahuatl teacher from CELE UNAM, Mexico. He's a native speaker from
> > Texcoco.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ximena Gutierrez
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Tomas Amaya <t.amaya at eninfinitum.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Magnus, neic tohuampohuan!
> >
> >
> >
> > The word CUILONI is used in Cuetzalan (pronounced "cuilonh", plural:
> > "cuilo'meh") to design men and women with gay sexual preference.
> > It can be used pejoratively or in neutral form.
> > Examples:
> > 1 Ahmo xicuilon, xe ahmo oncah cihuameh? (Do not be
> > homosexual, are there no women?)
> > 2 Xe ticuilon? Nehhua no. (Are you homosexual? Me too).
> > 3 Ahmo quinequi monamictiz ýn Pancho, in cuilon ýn
> > cuitazoquit (Pancho does not want to get married, this son of a ...
> > is an homosexual!)
> > 4 Yn tocuiloncayouh, ahmo zan cualli in mocelia nican (Our
> > homosexuality is usually not (well) accepted here.
> >
> > Greetings
> > Tomas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 11:21:29 -0500
> >> From: magnuspharao at gmail.com
> >> To: nahuatl at lists.famsi.org
> >> Subject: [Nahuat-l] "Gay" in Nahuatl?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Listeros
> >>
> >> I was just reading a brochure in Nahuatl published by CONAPRED Mexicos
> >> national commission for the prevention of discrimination. In this
> >> translation it describes the right not to be discriminated for ones
> >> sexuality with the word "cuiloni" and "cuiloncayotl". According to Molina
> >> this word meant "puto que padece", likely in reference to the passive,
> >> receptive or "effeminate" partner in a male/male sexual relation. first of
> >> all it struck me as an odd choice of word to describe homosexuality in a
> >> human rights context, and secondly I thought that I have never heard this
> >> word used in contemporary Nahuatl. (Here is a link to the brochure for
> >> those interested
> >> http://www.conapred.org.mx/userfiles/files/Enadis-2010-Nahuatl-Web_INACCSS.pdf)
> >>
> >> For this reason I thought I would ask you about which Nahuatl words you
> >> know for the different types of non-normative sexual identities, gay,
> >> homosexual, bisexual, transvestite, transgendered etc. and how they are
> >> used. I'd be happy to know for each term where it is used (community and
> >> region), whether it is used pejoratively or neutrally (do anyone
> >> selfidentify with it) and if you have any examples of how it might be used
> >> that would be excellent. I am thinking of collating the results into a blog
> >> post.
> >>
> >> Thanks beforehand!
> >>
> >> Magnus
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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