[Aztlan] A question about Aztecs and armadillos

[Roberto Romero]

Mario

No tengo noticia alguna de que los españoles hayan prohibido a los
indios otomies y a los demás indígenas el tener guitarras y mandolinas
de madera.

Mas aun hay datos iconográficos y textuales que inidican que los
indios los usaban , y los fabricaban. De hecho la enseñanza de oficios
y de construcción de intrumentos musicales de tipo europeo fue uno de
los medidas que acompañaron a la evangelización católica...

De que fuente histórica , libro, ensayo obtuviste esa información de
la prohibición  de usar instrumentos musicales que me parece
absolutamante falsa y ajena a la verdad histórica.

Mas aun en el siglo XVI no había guitarras creo que ni en España. Fue
el siglo de la vihuela...

Y de hecho en el siglo XVI y buena parte del XVII los otomies fueron
conquistadores, fueron parte del bando ganador no fueron de los
perdedores

Roberto Romero

2014-10-03 8:59 GMT+06:00, mario <micc2 at cox.net>:
> It is said in the Danza Chichimeca/Conchera/Azteca that when the Spanish
> prohibited the Otomi and other indigenous people from getting wood
> materials to make their guitars and mandolins, they began to use the
> shells of the Armadillo. Thus we are called "concheros".....
>
> Today, certain revisionist new age "Mexi'ca dancers" use the word
> Conchero as a disparaging term for "Hispanicized Ladino" dancers.
>
> But those of us that follow the Indocristiano traditions of La Danza, we
> dance with our "dillos" with pride!!!!!
>
> On another note, when My son found out that armadillos can carry
> Leprosy, he went around spraying all our Conchas with Lysol!!!
>
> --
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>
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>
>
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>
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> On 10/2/2014 9:02 AM, Peter Keeler wrote:
>> U'uyeh, Listeros,
>>
>>         The recent interchange (on Aztlan) about the word for armadillo in
>> nahuatl,
>>
>>        eg:
>>
>> "It is ayotochtli not azotochtli.  Whoever told you azo... Probably was
>> misinformed.
>>
>> Yes, it means something along the lines of turtle rabbit.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> John Schwaller
>> Professor of History
>> University at Albany "
>>
>> ......prompted an off-line discussion among some of my Mayanist friends,
>>
>>        in which I made the point that armadillos can move fast, when they
>> want to:
>>
>>           " Also NB armadillo ears, rather rabbit-like.
>>
>>        and they can really moooove.
>>
>>        once upon a long long time ago, W. and I out in the [Texas] hill
>> country, we encountered a dillo, by the road. W. began to walk in her
>> direction; she started ambling away. W. walked a little faster, she began
>> to slowly lope away. W. began a slow run, and she took off. Then he ran
>> full speed, and she was moving about twice as fast. And, like a
>> jackrabbit, she was gone.
>>
>>      a delightful animal, long the mascot of the counter-culture. Dillos
>> are pretty laid back, unless you are running after them. "
>>
>>        Which elicited the image below from W (still running, or at least
>> ambling, after all these years), that I suspect most of our Nahuatl
>> listeros already know:
>>
>> "Early (? earliest) illustration of an armadillo (Florentine Codex, Book
>> 11; page 61, fig. 201)."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       I urge interested parties to visit the web to see more accurate
>> photographic depictions of this peaceful critter.
>>
>>
>> http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=armadillo&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ei=QHQtVN38NZT-yQTMjYHIDQ&ved=0CCoQsAQ
>>
>>   that's all,
>>
>>                Peter
>>
>>
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