PPC Ignore Diacritics

Thu Oct 22 15:00:30 UTC 2020

Thanks, Yvan. We are on the same page. Also, phonex had a much more elegant solution than regex for quantifying the scope of the issue – the  phonex expression (._.) pulls all the compound phones.

Nina
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Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP
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Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Syracuse University
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented
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From: phon at googlegroups.com <phon at googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Yvan Rose
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:57 AM
To: phon at googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PPC Ignore Diacritics

Hi Nina,
Your reply points at discrepancies in IPA transcription standards between your target/actual forms, which will clearly yield analytic artefacts. Once you address this transcription issue (either remove the ligatures or add them everywhere), everything should fall into place nicely.

On this note, I would recommend against any post-hoc fix for issues in transcriptions (your primary data source). Instead, I recommend you fix the problematic transcriptions.

Does this help?

Good luck with the work ahead!
Yvan

From: 'Nina R Benway' via Phon <phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com>>
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Date: Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM
To: "phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com>" <phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: PPC Ignore Diacritics

Hi Greg, Hi Yvan,

Thank you for the look under the hood of Phon!

We’ve come across cases in our corpus where the target and the actual differ by the ligature. This results in the PPC calculation counting an instance of epenthesis (as it should, algorithmically) despite what the transcriber intended.

Right now I think Python/regex are my way forward –other ideas would be appreciated, though.

Thanks,

Nina
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Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP
PhD Candidate
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Syracuse University
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented
nrgslp.github.io<https://nrgslp.github.io/>

From: phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com> <phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Yvan Rose
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:46 PM
To: phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PPC Ignore Diacritics

Hello Nina,
This diacritic effective 'binds' two phones into a single one, as Phon constructs its phone objects for analysis. So we do not process it at all as other diacritics we have.

May I ask why you want to do that? Maybe we can find a roundabout way to attain what you're looking for. (You can also email me directly at yrose at mun.ca<mailto:yrose at mun.ca> if you prefer.)

Kind regards,
Yvan

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Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 6:45 PM
To: "phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com>" <phon at googlegroups.com<mailto:phon at googlegroups.com>>
Subject: PPC Ignore Diacritics

Hello Phon Community,

I am trying to run a PPC Analysis using the Ignore Diacritics (only) function, but the diacritic I’d like to ignore is not available in the “Select Diacritics” drop down menu. I can’t seem to specify a diacritic by typing/pasting. Is there a way to specify diacritics that are not available from the drop down menu? The character I’d like to exclude is the ligature 0x0361 in the combining diacritics block.

Phon v. 3.14-beta3

Thanks,

Nina
________________________
Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP
PhD Candidate
Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders
Syracuse University
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented
nrgslp.github.io<https://nrgslp.github.io/>

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