Actual/Target IPA

[Yvan Rose]

Dear Abdel,
Because your examples are not confidential, and because the answer to your question may be useful to more people, I brought back the conversation to the public forum.

In a nutshell, if you put the length mark after the hanging diacritic everything works perfectly. Examples:

rˤzmasakʷː 
itˤːar

It's possible that this breaks from transcription standards you have for your language, but I cannot anticipate analytic issues with this approach. We all must remember that transcription standards used for different languages are not always easy or even logical to support in computer programs. 

I hope you find this all useful!

Kind regards,
Yvan

>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 6:27 AM, mobchar at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again everyone,
>> 
>> So I realized (as mentioned on the website) that some diacritic combinations cause problems (e.g., length followed by pharyngealization or labialization in my case). On the website manual, it mentions that this might occur depending on the font (I tried to change it a few times but no luck!). This issue impacts my analyses. The words containing such diacritic combinations also disappear when converting back to CHA format. Is there a way to work around this?
>> 
>> Best 
>> Abdel
>> 
>> On Tuesday 30 January 2024 at 15:11:35 UTC+1 mobchar at gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> 
>>> This is so nice of you. I appreciate the effort and I really hope this helps other people in the future. It worked perfectly.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks
>>> Abdel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 13:48, Greg Hedlund <greg.h... at gmail.com <>> wrote:
>>>> Hello Abdel,
>>>> 
>>>> I've created a script which will copy %pho to %mod when %mod is empty.
>>>> 
>>>> 1) You may download this script from here: https://gist.github.com/ghedlund/0fc0c5b1b44cf83093cac243a0994087.  Choose 'Download ZIP' and then extract the contents of the downloaded file.
>>>> 
>>>> 2) In Phon, open your project and select 'Tools -> PhonShell' from the window menu.  From the PhonShell window menu choose 'File -> Run script' and select the file CopyPhoToMod.groovy from step 1.
>>>> 
>>>> 3) Select the sessions you wish to modify and click 'Ok'.  Once completed you should see 'Done' printed in the window.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> -Greg
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2024-01-27 6:24 a.m., mob... at gmail.com <> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I did my transcription in CHAT and assumed that I should use the %mod line (=target) only when the %pho line (=actual) does not meet the target. Now after moving to Phon, I realized I'll always need both Target and Actual transcriptions (right?). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will be a pain to go back and fix the %mod lines of all 5 hours of recordings I have :) so If there is any way I can let Phon know that it should take 'Actual IPA' as 'Target IPA' in case 'Actual IPA' is missing, that would save tons of work. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope i am making sense.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>>>> Abdel
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