> [SEELANGS] sub-titles

William Ryan wfr at SAS.AC.UK
Tue Apr 8 18:45:00 UTC 2008 

Me too - but he hasn't hit me where it hurts yet. Perhaps I am being 
discriminated against?
Will


Sarah Hurst wrote:
> I found it very funny myself...
>
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of William Ryan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:08 AM
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>
> Menippean satire is therapeutic. A shared sense of outrage may break 
> down barriers and reveal essentials perhaps?
>
> Will Ryan
>
>
> Sarah Hurst wrote:
>   
>> I think the film attempted to offend as many different racial and minority
>> groups as it could - and succeeded!
>>
>> Sarah Hurst
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vardanyan, Ashot
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:47 AM
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>>
>> Anyway, if it comes to my personal opinion, I was not very happy to hear
>>     
> my
>   
>> mother tongue in such a mean film. I had a feeling my language was
>> associated with the humiliating plot of the content. Now, I think some
>>     
> Jews
>   
>> could have the same view.
>>  
>> Ashot
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: SEELANGS: Slavic & East European Languages and Literatures list on
>> behalf of Evgeny Steiner
>> Sent: Tue 08-Apr-08 10:02
>> To: SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] > [SEELANGS] sub-titles
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sarah Hurst <sarahhurst at ALASKA.NET>
>> To: SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU
>> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:24:36 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] > [SEELANGS] sub-titles
>>
>> It's nonsense if one is talking Hebrew, the other is replying in Armenian,
>> and they are both pretending to be speaking Kazakh.
>>
>> Oh, I thought it was a rather cunning joke to make that Anti-Semitic
>> simpleton to speak Hebrew. But possibly the authors of Borat had to be
>>     
> more
>   
>> considerate to those film critics to whom either Armenian or Hebrew sound
>> like nonsense.
>>
>> ES
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Evgeny Steiner
>> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 11:45 AM
>> To: SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU
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>>
>> "Really a nonsense language"???
>> Sasha Baron-Cohen was talking good Hebrew.
>>
>> Evgeny Steiner
>> Sainsbury Inst. for the Japanese Art
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sarah Hurst <sarahhurst at ALASKA.NET>
>> To: SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU
>> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:52:48 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] > [SEELANGS] sub-titles
>>
>> In Borat the two main characters are supposed to be speaking the same
>> language to each other (ostensibly Kazakh). As it's really a nonsense
>> language each actor just speaks in whatever foreign language he knows,
>>     
> with
>   
>> Sasha Baron-Cohen throwing in quite a few Polish words, I think. So it
>> wouldn't really make sense to differentiate the subtitles and indicate
>>     
> that
>   
>> one actor is speaking Armenian.
>>
>> Sarah Hurst
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ashot Vardanyan
>> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:31 AM
>> To: SEELANGS at BAMA.UA.EDU
>> Subject: [SEELANGS] > [SEELANGS] sub-titles
>>
>> Dear Michele,
>>
>> My notes are somewhat different from what you want but might be of
>>     
> interest
>   
>> as well.
>>
>> I want to share my observation and impression on the language(s) and
>> subtitles of two films âEUR" Russian âEURoePrisoner of MountainâEUR
>> (âEURoeKavkazskii plennikâEUR) and American / British âEURoeBorat:
>>     
> cultural
>   
>> learnings of America for make benefit glorious nation of KazakhstanâEUR.
>>     
> In
>   
>> both films the non-Armenian viewer naively reckons s/he hears the same
>> language from the characters as s/he reads the English subtitles.
>>
>> The scene of the former is set in the Russian North Caucasus, supposedly
>>     
> in
>   
>> Chechnya, the country that definitely has its own language. The
>>     
> filmmakers,
>   
>> however, run a unique trick: the local men and women speak in the main
>>     
> three
>   
>> languages of the entire Caucasus: Georgian, Azerbaijani, which is very
>> similar to Turkish, and Armenian. There might be other Caucasian languages
>> that I donâEUR(tm)t know; however, from the outset, it was unusual to hear
>> Georgian between Abdul-Murat and his daughter, but later the idea of the
>> producers became clear: they probably aimed at demonstrating the
>>     
> commonality
>   
>> of all Caucasians which is, in turn, very dissonant to truth. The entire
>> Caucasus is a bundle of problems.
>>
>> Armenian, my language, is represented by its âEURoehamshenaâEUR dialect
>> that is used by Armenians populating the Black Sea region. It appears only
>> in the episode of the childrenâEUR(tm)s talk, when a boy asks Dina if it
>>     
> is
>   
>> already time for her to marry. It seems to me, this is also political. The
>> filmmakers couldnâEUR(tm)t help knowing that Armenia and Russia are allies
>> in all domains, whereas Georgia and Azerbaijan informally supported
>> ChechnyaâEUR(tm)s insurgency and had other conflicts in their relations
>>     
> with
>   
>> Russia.
>>
>> In âEURoeBoratâEUR¦âEUR, Azamat Bagatov, the partner of the main
>>     
> character,
>   
>> speaks Armenian during all the span of the film. As a matter of fact, the
>> person who stars for him is an American Armenian actor Ken Davitian. He
>>     
> uses
>   
>> the mixture of the Eastern and Western Armenian dialects. I donâEUR(tm)t
>> remember what language Borat speaks, to the best of my memory, itâEUR(tm)s
>> either / both Russian or / and Kazakh but itâEUR(tm)s definitely not
>> Armenian. However, viewers donâEUR(tm)t know this and follow the subtitles
>> being under the impression the characters sound the same language.
>>
>> âEUR¦The quality of this film is a different topic.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ashot Vardanyan,
>> University of Iowa.
>>
>>
>> 04/06 17:25 "Michele A. Berdy" <maberdy at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Seelangers, o ye who know and see all...
>>>
>>> Have any of you seen a multi-language film with sub-titles that
>>> distinguish between the languages spoken? If so, how did the
>>> sub-titles make the language distinction clear? Font? Italics?
>>> Other?
>>>
>>> Feel free to send comments off list (this is fairly obscure...)
>>> Thanks
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