meaning of " ochered' "

[Peitlova Katarina]

> Brits line up dutifully.
> Russians,  Italians and many other mainland Europeans kind of blump up, 
> they don't really
> line up.  This blump does get smaller as individuals get served, but no 
> one stands
> dutifully behind another.    Does ochered' imply a line (one person behind 
> another), or
> is a blump an ochered'?------------------------------

I remember  that we've discussed   (in seventies)at marxism-leninism lessons 
(USSR University) the difference between "ochered" and "kolektiv". Why we 
couldn't consider "ochered "the same   as" Kolektiv",even if appearently the 
people who are standig in line have the same "tsel'" (oni objedineny odnoj 
tselju - vystojat ochered i kupit nuzhnoje...dazhe esli v etom net nikakich 
idealov dlja lutscevo budusceva..)I would like to remember you to explore 
even this way  of meaning of ochered and kolektiv and the filosofy question 
too.

And about Italians - it's so EXACT!! They really have No capacity to stay in 
line, they stay IN CIRCLE (let us call it that way!)You never know who is 
before you and who is following you. And the worst lines are those at your 
doctor's study and the poste office .
But  it is nice that they do not live  their staying in line(circle or so 
on) as if it were problem - they openly speak each to other 
,comunicate,change the opinions ;they seem not to go shopping but are going 
to "socialize" with others.
And  everything turns in some kind of pleasure...suddenly you have a nice 
conversation ...
And I agree with Alina Israeli - the russian's lines 30 years ago were 
awful,terrible and  you couldn't avoid them (if you wanted to eat..)
Best wishes,
PhDr.Katarina Peitlova in Tocci 

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