SEELANGS Digest - 23 Jun 2012 to 24 Jun 2012 - Special issue (#2012-220)
Dickey, Stephen McCartney
smd at KU.EDU
Sun Jun 24 13:14:05 UTC 2012
Matošnik should be a compass, see: http://www.dlib.si/preview/URN:NBN:SI:DOC-E8FGGHVM/e51cf453-20cd-427d-9168-a88be7d153a4#hit1
Stephen M. Dickey
Associate Professor
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Kansas
1445 Jayhawk Boulevard, Room 2128
Lawrence, KS 66045-7594, USA
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1. Maritime expressions (3)
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:39:52 +0800
From: David Wells <dnwells at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>
Subject: Maritime expressions
Hello
I am translating a seafarer’s account from circa 1700. I wonder if anyone can assist with a couple of expressions?
Матошник – I thought from example 1 this must be some sort of seaweed, but with example 2, I am not so sure.
1) И как-де ветры престали, тогда они по матошнику усмотрели, что их далеко в море занесло, стали домышлитца -- как бы им назад возвратитца?
2) А как дерево на море нашли [the ship was caught in a storm and the mast lost, but later replaced using a tree found floating in the ocean] и парус сшили, тогда по самой нужде по матошнику прибились к Курильской земле.
Великие слезы – I take this to be the result of some sort of vitamin deficiency similar to scurvy (perhaps vitamin A deficiency).
Да и онеж, курильские люди, двух человек из них, которые будучи на судне на море от великих слез ослепли -- убили до смерти.
Many thanks
David Wells
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David Wells
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Australia and New Zealand Slavists' Association
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:03:54 +0000
From: Jane Knox-Voina <jknox at BOWDOIN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Maritime expressions
I'll get back to you later with translations. Are you the David Wells who graduated from Bowdoin and took a class with me?
Jane
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On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:51 AM, "David Wells" <dnwells at OZEMAIL.COM.AU<mailto:dnwells at OZEMAIL.COM.AU>> wrote:
Hello
I am translating a seafarer’s account from circa 1700. I wonder if anyone can assist with a couple of expressions?
Матошник – I thought from example 1 this must be some sort of seaweed, but with example 2, I am not so sure.
1) И как-де ветры престали, тогда они по матошнику усмотрели, что их далеко в море занесло, стали домышлитца -- как бы им назад возвратитца?
2) А как дерево на море нашли [the ship was caught in a storm and the mast lost, but later replaced using a tree found floating in the ocean] и парус сшили, тогда по самой нужде по матошнику прибились к Курильской земле.
Великие слезы – I take this to be the result of some sort of vitamin deficiency similar to scurvy (perhaps vitamin A deficiency).
Да и онеж, курильские люди, двух человек из них, которые будучи на судне на море от великих слез ослепли -- убили до смерти.
Many thanks
David Wells
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David Wells
Secretary-Treasurer
Australia and New Zealand Slavists' Association
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:17:45 -0400
From: Hugh Olmsted <hugh_olmsted at COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Maritime expressions
Dear David--
The first of your terms, матошник, is evidently a slight variant of 'маточник' (cf the old Moscow pronunciation of graphic / etymological -чн- as --шн-, as in 'яичница' and, конечно, in 'конечно'), in the meaning of 'compass' --see the Dictionary of XI-XVII century Russian, vol. 9 (M), p. 46.
Hugh Olmsted
On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:39 AM, David Wells wrote:
> Hello
>
> I am translating a seafarer’s account from circa 1700. I wonder if anyone can assist with a couple of expressions?
>
> Матошник – I thought from example 1 this must be some sort of seaweed, but with example 2, I am not so sure.
>
> 1) И как-де ветры престали, тогда они по матошнику усмотрели, что их далеко в море занесло, стали домышлитца -- как бы им назад возвратитца?
>
> 2) А как дерево на море нашли [the ship was caught in a storm and the mast lost, but later replaced using a tree found floating in the ocean] и парус сшили, тогда по самой нужде по матошнику прибились к Курильской земле.
>
> Великие слезы – I take this to be the result of some sort of vitamin deficiency similar to scurvy (perhaps vitamin A deficiency).
>
> Да и онеж, курильские люди, двух человек из них, которые будучи на судне на море от великих слез ослепли -- убили до смерти.
>
> Many thanks
>
> David Wells
>
>
> *******************
> David Wells
> Secretary-Treasurer
> Australia and New Zealand Slavists' Association
>
>
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