Lakhota wa- 'variety object'

Thu Dec 11 21:26:50 UTC 2003

I you said thought the translation of wiwawiyungapi was 'they ask around
about him'. I think the "about him" is coming from the new i- prefix, and
the initial wa- detransitivies that.  I realize that the English
translation still has the "about him" in it, which is what prompted my
cryptic comment about English not having the options Lakhota has for
expressing participants that aren't arguments (Bob's point about 'house'
not being an argument in thi-wi'unpi.).  The doubly de-transitrivized
wawiyunge can be rendered by "they're asking around" -- no patients -- but
there's no way to express, in English, an additional argument that isn't
an argument.  So I don't think your example is right; I don't think there
is an X for 'about him' here; the first "wi" is 'about him', only the
"him" doesn't have argument status.  I don't think there is a zero in
addition to the three wa's. Instrumental i- often means 'because of' or
'about'.

David
X-             w-                         i-       wa-  w-   iyuNg^a-pi
  about him-in various places-LOC-WA-WA-ask-        PL

  they ask about him in various places

  Im actually not sure what entity or entities the third w- refers to. At
any rate, if the base verb is iiyuNg^a to ask someone about
something/someone in some place (i.e. three PAT slots), then the about
something/someone slot is taken by X- about him. So we have two PAT slots
left, someone and in some place. But we have three wa-s. So the end
result indeed is a [-1] valence for PAT.

  Regina

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