horse paper

[Alan Knutson]

            That's what I meant, constructions based on PA */elen-/
'ordinary, real'.

            Alan K

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Not sure what you mean by 'same source'; they both contain PA */elen-/
'ordinary, real'. However, they contain different finals: Illinois
/irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois, speaks one's language' contains
/-(i)wee-/, a 'by speech' final, while Illinois /ireniwa/ 'man' (< PA
*/elenyiwa/) appears to be a very old construction meaning something
like 'real being, ordinary being'.

Dave

Thanks for the clarification, I missed the article (looking for it
today), it does appear,  though, that  they both connect back to same
source?

Alan K


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Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:11 PM
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Looks like our thoughts overlapped here...

Actually, I published an article that discussed the name 'Illinois' 4
years ago (Miami-Illinois Tribe Names. Papers of the 31st Algonquian
Conference, pp. 30-53. {2000}). The name 'Illinois' does not come from
the Illinois word for 'man', /ireniwa/. In fact, it comes from French,
which borrowed it from the old Ojibwe name for the Illinois, /ilinwe/,
pl. /ilinwek/. This in turn is an Ojibwe borrowing from Illinois
/irenweewa/ 'he speaks Illinois, speaks in the regular way'. If you want
to read my full argumentation for this etymology, it's on page 46-47 of
the article.

Dave


> That brings to mind the Proto_Algonquin term for " ordinary or even
> original, or plain ( =real) *eleni-" which shows as "leni-" below,  it
> appears also in PA (Bloomfield) *eleneq$ipa  "mallard duck" and
perhaps
> in *elenyiwa "man" (which is the source of the ethnonym "Illinois").
>
> Alan K
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