Quapaw designation (fwd)

[Rankin, Robert L]

I'm happy with whatever people come up with on this.  I remember reading
Charles Hockett's paper entitled approximately "What Algonkian is really
like" about 3 decades ago and deciding that I'd never been so confused
in my life.  In any event, I think my analysis holds at least for
Akansa.  :-)

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Hartley [mailto:ahartley at d.umn.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:50 PM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Quapaw designation (fwd)


Rankin, Robert L wrote:

> That's funny.  My recollection was that it was Ives who told me what I

> passed on here.  Maybe at different points in his thought processes,
> or maybe it was Dave Costa or someone else, but it came from an
> Algonquianist.

Dave Pentland said (4 years ago):

> the name ocipwe:(w)- ...
> it's an group name with prefixed o(t)- and final -V:w (as in
kiristino:, and
> (o)maske:ko:w 'Swampy Cree'), but -(c)ipw- is not a phonologically
possible root
> in Algonquian and must therefore be a foreign word.

and later--

> Proto-Algonquian did not allow short *i in the first syllable of a
> word...
> The non-Alg part could be either /ipw/ (with prefix *wet-,
automatically
> palatalizing to phonetic [c^] before *i), or /tipw/ (with prefix
*we-).

I guess all we can safely say at this point is that Ojibway is of
unknown origin (how I hate to say that!)

The o- prefix *does* occur in, e.g., early forms of Maskegon, Menominee,

Miami, Mississagi, Monsoni, Otagamie, Sauk, all of which are
etymologically transparent (swamp, wild rice, downstream, big-river
mouth, moose, opposite shore, river-mouth, respectively).

Alan