OP stative verb ablaut?
CATCHES VIOLET
napshawin at msn.com
Sat Feb 14 11:52:32 UTC 2004
John,
Thats interesting! In Lakxota when we use -wa- to talk about things, its
usually plural, because when we talk about a thing we use the name of the
thing and use wan. Wa is used for waspanyan a feast (wa-means the many/much
different foods) but, agxuyapi wan hel wate.
Violet
>From: Koontz John E <John.Koontz at colorado.edu>
>Reply-To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
>To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
>Subject: Re: OP stative verb ablaut?
>Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:10:02 -0700 (MST)
>
> > Rory wrote:
> > bi'ze 'dry'
> >
> > oNbi'ze 'I am dry'
> >
> > dhibi'ze 'thou art dry' dhibi'za 'you all are dry'
> >
> > wabi'ze 'we two are dry' wabi'za 'we all are dry'
> >
> > bi'ze 's/he is dry' (Obv.) bi'za 'they are dry'
> > bi'za 's/he is dry' (Prox.)
>
>It's interesting to see that the plural can be absent with the inclusive.
>I wonder if "we two" is "you and me" or "me and him" or both? I'd expect
>the first or last.
>
> > Interestingly, while wa- is the affixed pronoun for P3 plural
> > in active verbs, it does not seem to be so used for P3 plural
> > in stative verbs. I hadn't realized that before.
>
>Initially I went down the same path myself. However, there just don't
>seem to be any examples of wa- as a P3 plural for statives. In short,
>it's an object only form.
>
> > I hadn't realized that before. Also, the proximate/obviative
> > distinction in 3rd person singular is alive and well marked in the
> > statives. ...
>
>I'm relieved to hear that, though it might have been nice to have a way of
>distinguishing stative and "experiencer subject" verbs from each other
>easily. Great examples of its use, by the way.
>
> > The akha' is definitely not restricted to animate beings.
>
>The horse harness example also applies. I still don't feel particularly
>close to understanding the articles ... They remind me of Russian motion
>verbs. They make perfect sense as each example is explained to me.
>
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