St. Louis?

[Michael Mccafferty]

Pain Court means "short bread".

There is a folk-etymology roaming around (perhaps in the article
referenced below) that says that the term means "short of bread".
But that's just what it is.

The name means "short bread". I believe the name occurs elsewhere in
the Francophone word, maybe in Ontario. It is not a surname as far as I
know.

Michael



On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, David Costa wrote:

> All I know about the name for St. Louis in Algonquian is that the Shawnee
> name for it is peenhko (Gatschet's <pê'nkû>), and the Mesquakie form is
> pe:ko:neki (a locative). These are apparently borrowings from French 'Pain
> Court'. However, it's been so long since I thought about this, I can't
> remember at the moment why it was named after 'Pain Court', or what 'Pain
> Court' really meant. I think somewhere there's an article that explains
> this. Bob, does this ring a bell?
>
> Dave Costa
>
> >
> > I'm wondering about the name for St. Louis in native languages.  For OP,
> > Dorsey has Ppa'hi-z^i'de, "Red Neck", as a term for the inhabitants.
> > Fletcher and La Flesche give Ppahi'-z^ide ttoNwoN, "Red Hair town", with
> > the note "Referring to the color of Governor Clark's hair".  I've had it in
> > mind that the latter explanation was confirmed by the Osage form, but I
> > can't seem to find a reference.  Can anyone point me to further information
> > on this?  I'd be especially interested knowing the name for it in Osage,
> > Kaw, Iowa-Oto, or even Algonquian languages.
> >