St. Louis?

[David Costa]

Yes, but WHY was St. Louis called 'short bread'? That was what I was
wondering.

David


> Pain Court means "short bread".
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> There is a folk-etymology roaming around (perhaps in the article
> referenced below) that says that the term means "short of bread".
> But that's just what it is.
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> The name means "short bread". I believe the name occurs elsewhere in
> the Francophone word, maybe in Ontario. It is not a surname as far as I
> know.
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> Michael
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> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, David Costa wrote:
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>> All I know about the name for St. Louis in Algonquian is that the Shawnee
>> name for it is peenhko (Gatschet's <pÍ'nkš>), and the Mesquakie form is
>> pe:ko:neki (a locative). These are apparently borrowings from French 'Pain
>> Court'. However, it's been so long since I thought about this, I can't
>> remember at the moment why it was named after 'Pain Court', or what 'Pain
>> Court' really meant. I think somewhere there's an article that explains
>> this. Bob, does this ring a bell?
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>> Dave Costa
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>> > I'm wondering about the name for St. Louis in native languages.  For OP,
>> > Dorsey has Ppa'hi-z^i'de, "Red Neck", as a term for the inhabitants.
>> > Fletcher and La Flesche give Ppahi'-z^ide ttoNwoN, "Red Hair town", with
>> > the note "Referring to the color of Governor Clark's hair".  I've had it in
>> > mind that the latter explanation was confirmed by the Osage form, but I
>> > can't seem to find a reference.  Can anyone point me to further information
>> > on this?  I'd be especially interested knowing the name for it in Osage,
>> > Kaw, Iowa-Oto, or even Algonquian languages.
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