Dorsey u circumflex in Biloxi

[Rankin, Robert L]

Well, I think the generalization is that accented schwa would generally
come from nasal A.  That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions though.
No telling just what Dorsey heard.  Did Haas and Swadesh record any
accented schwas?       Bob

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	Bob,
	 
	I guess a lot of my confusion is just from a lack of overall
Siouan knowledge at this point, but just to make sure I've got this
straight: you're saying that a stressed schwa can only come about from a
previously nasalized stressed A.  And I suppose there's no reason to
suspect that the underlying Siouan sa:pe or sepi (a or e) would have
become nasalized in Biloxi, then denasalized again to a stressed schwa.
Interesting.  What a puzzle!
	 
	Thanks for the comments on the ddh as well.  Sounds like /d/ is
appropriate here.
	 
	Dave
	 


	"R. Rankin" <rankin at ku.edu> wrote:

		The only thing I can add to what I said before is that, 
		in Ofo, all the instances of stressed schwa that I can 
		locate are reflexes of denasalized /aN/. Schwa can 
		come from both nasal and oral /a/ unaccented, but AFAIK 
		only from stressed nasal A. (The way I know it's a 
		denasalized aN is by comparing it with cognates in 
		Biloxi, Tutelo or some more distant Siouan language 
		with a cognate lexeme).
		
		The term for 'black' can come from either of two 
		different etyma. *(i)sa:pe or *(i)sepi. I would think 
		the former would underlie the Biloxi word, but can't 
		say for sure.
		
		Bob
		
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		From: "David Kaufman" 
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		Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:29 PM
		Subject: Dorsey u circumflex in Biloxi
		
		
		> Hi all,
		>
		>! Bob, John K, and I have been having some discussion 
		> re: Biloxi pronunciation and Dorsey's and Swanton's 
		> diacritic marks. One of these involves their use of 
		> u-circumflex, which Dorsey and Swanton describe as "u 
		> in but," which sounds like the schwa to me. I'm 
		> particularly wondering about its use in the word 
		> su(circumflex)pi, meaning "black," which according to 
		> this, should be pronounced something like "suppy". 
		> This would mean, I think, that perhaps in Biloxi a 
		> schwa could be stressed. I think Bob mentions Ofo 
		> having a similar stressed schwa sound. Do any other 
		> Siouan languages have this schwa sound in stressed 
		> syllables?
		>
		> Dave
		>
		>
		>
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