Fw: Iowa-Ho-Chunk Languages

[Demallie, Raymond J.]

As editor of the Plains volume I feel compelled to note that the Sioux synonymy was written by Doug Parks, not Ives Goddard.  I am gratified to see the Siouanists pay at least some attention to the Handbook.

Ray DeMallie

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From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu [mailto:owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu] On Behalf Of david costa
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:11 PM
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Yes, Goddard lays out the real etymologies for these
terms on page 749 of the Handbook, volume 13 (Plains), in the
synonymy section of DeMallie's 'Sioux Until 1850' chapter.

dave

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From: "R. Rankin" <rankin at ku.edu>
Sent: Mar 16, 2005 11:58 AM
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Fw: Iowa-Ho-Chunk Languages

Yes, that used to be the common story, but more recent
work by Goddard seems to show that these old stories
(widely repeated on dozens of internet sites most of
which seem to plagiarize from others) were mostly
untrue, with the term referring to "those who speak a
different language."  Apparently the two words are
somewhat similar.  Koontz's web site has probably the
best discussion:
http://spot.colorado.edu/~koontz/faq/etymology.htm#Sioux

Bob

>I have read two versions of the origin of Sioux:
>
> 1. The word Sioux is a French Canadian rendering of
> the Ojibway word nadewisou, meaning "treacherous
> snakes."
>
> 2. The word Sioux is taken from the abbreviated
> Algonquin (Ojibway or Ottawa) compound, nadowe
> meaning "snake" plus siu meaning "little," and the
> French Canadian rendering of it was spelled
> Nadouéssioux.