another Siouan question

[REGINA PUSTET]

(quoting Jan)
  >The only difference is that the speakers I consult still use palatalization after ichi, so I would >get ichi-cas^ka rather than ichi-kas^ka etc.
   
  With some ichi-forms I have in my files, there is free variation between subsequnt palatalization and non-palatalization. But yes, we have discussed that before, it's something that varies from verb to verb, from dialect to dialect, and possibly from speaker to speaker.
   
  >> ichi-khokapi   'they are linked to each other' 
  > I would spell this ichi-khoyakapi. 
  So would I. At least khoyaka is the only version of this verb I know. But sometimes the short forms have become the new standard, and the're worth quoting as such, Just think of the realizations of plural -pi. In some phonetic environments, the full form -pi is not acceptable to native speakers any more.
   
  >>  iyeciNkyaNke ki ichi-yaphapi  'the cars bumped into each other, in an accident' 
  >>  a-kichi-phapi  'they hit each other' 
   
  >I would argue that these don't represent a minimal pair. ichi-yaphapi comes from ichi + >iyapha whicle akichiphapi originates in aphA and kichi-.
   
  That's what I was trying to say, if you agree that kichi- is the reciprocal marker here.
   
  Regina
  

Jan Ullrich <jfu at centrum.cz> wrote:
      Hi Regina, 
   
  that is a nice and representative list and is also well in line with my findings. The only difference is that the speakers I consult still use palatalization after ichi, so I would get ichi-cas^ka rather than ichi-kas^ka etc. but I think the two of us have discussed that before.
   
   >  ichi-khokapi   'they are linked to each other' 
   
  I would spell this ichi-khoyakapi. 
  Khoyaka and its derivatives have a very hight number of fast speech variants and idiolectal forms which might be difficult to decipher at times.
   
   >  iyeciNkyaNke ki ichi-yaphapi  'the cars bumped into each other, in an accident' 
  >  a-kichi-phapi  'they hit each other' 
   
  I would argue that these don't represent a minimal pair. ichi-yaphapi comes from ichi + iyapha whicle akichiphapi originates in aphA and kichi-.
   
  I also agree that ichi is much less productive today and in fact some speakers tend to replace it with i- in some cases, so for 'to compare things' some say ichiwanyanka while others say iwanyanka.
   
  Jan
   
   


       
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