another Siouan question

[shokooh Ingham]

shokooh Ingham <shokoohbanou at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>

 Interesting, but it isn't quite the same thing, because the verb is as you say a stative verb with 'me' as the patient and not really a reciprocal ie the other participant is introduced by a postposition kichi- ie you don't say ichiunkaphapi in the way that you can say wanunkichiyankapi 'we saw each other'.  I'd be interested to know if true reciprocals of that sort can occur with ichi-
Bruce

Jan Ullrich <jfu at centrum.cz> wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:13:28 +0100
From: "Jan Ullrich" <jfu at centrum.cz>
To: <siouan at lists.colorado.edu>
Subject: RE: another Siouan question

   Zpráva    Paul  kichi ichiyamapha. 'Paul and I bumped into each other.' 
 from  ichiyapha 'to bump into each other' which is a stative verb
  
 Jan
    
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Jan,
Can you get examples of  animates    where the -ichi- expresses reciprocity between two animates without having a    separate outside  agent as with the 'he' in your examples ie a sentence    like wankichiyankapi 'they saw each other' with an    -ichi-
Bruce

Jan Ullrich <jfu at centrum.cz> wrote:              
            
        (quoting Bruce        Ingham)
        
       >        My impression with the -ichi- versus -kichi- is that        when reciprocal the ichi- occurs with inanimates and that the kichi-        usually with animates.   
       > Is that the case with your examples        Jan?   
        
       No, I have        recorded sentences where animates occur with ichi, as        in
        
       NuphiN        ichiyauNphapi cha ksuyeuNyaNpe lo. 'He hit us against each other and hurt        us.'
       IchiwaNwichayaNke. 'He compared them."
        
       Jan
        

      

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