Fw: Osage name

[Jimm GoodTracks]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ryan Red Corn 
To: Jimm GoodTracks 
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Osage name


La Fleshe's dictionary lists 


"O Tha ha mon in" as a personal name "The follower"


i recognize those pictures i have seen them before and i have heard the last name Lohah ..but i dont know if there are any still around..


as for the name there was a man named Non.pah.wa.la which i think translates to causes fear or in pursuit of fear causing something along those lines but don't quote me . There is also an Osage family named Waller. Both are from Hominy. 


o.thon the best i can tell means something sought out, discover, find in something thats not plainly seen or for something to that effect


dont quote me on this its all speculation at best for me



On Sep 5, 2007, at 7:36 AM, Jimm GoodTracks wrote:


  Ryan:
  I thought that I 'd run this by you.  I don't recall any families by the the name of Lohah.  Have they died out?
  Jimm

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tom Leonard
  To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
  Cc: davnagle at juno.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Osage name


  If you check on the Smithsonian website (http://siris-archives.si.edu/) you will find at least seven (7) photographs of this individual. Smithsonian has it listed as O-tho'-wa-the, or "Well to Follow".

  Also, if I am not mistaken the family has abbreviated the name and now goes by "Lohah".

  Hope this helps.

  Tom Leonard

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  Justin McBride wrote:
    I'm not near my Osage names book right now (Louis Burns's "Osage Indian Bands and Clans"), but I can tell you from having researched that book fairly extensively that -walla is a causative form, i.e., -waðe, where ðe is the causative and wa- is doing whatever wa- does (valence reduction).  I've noticed the same phenomenon in old Kaw census data, where the name noNppe-waye ('inspires fear') is written in Agent-ese as No-pah-walla.  Not so sure what olohah would be, though.  Oloha/e?  Aloha/e?  And maybe the l is kl, maybe the h is x... It could be any number of things, I suppose.
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  ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jonathan Holmes
      To: Siouan List
      Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:28 AM
      Subject: Osage name


      I'm looking for a translation to the name of an Osage man from Pawhuska, OK who lived in the late 1800s.

      The name is Olohawalla. Perhaps seperated as O-Lohah-Walla.

      Could anyone help with a possible translation?



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