SHTUBA inquiry

[jmcbride at kawnation.com]

Rory,

I very much doubt it's related, but there is a Kaw personal name  
is^toppasabe, a male name of the Coon Clan (or ibac^he nikkas^iNga,  
'lights the pipes people'), which Dorsey translates as "Black Stripe  
over the Eyes (refers to the hair on the forehead of a raccoon)." I  
might be wrong, but I assume that it's probably is^ta (eye) o- + ppa  
(on the nose/forehead?) sabe (black).  Nevertheless, I'm often  
reminded of how the language of Siouan names doesn't always seem to  
line up 1:1 with the language of everyday communication (especially  
with respect to stress placement, word choice for items, etc.). So, I  
suppose it's possible that is^toppa could come to be seen as a single  
lexical unit modified by sabe, although there's no evidence that this  
occurred in Kaw. However, if the Omahas have a cognate name, and if a  
similar lexical process occurred, it is at least imaginable that  
is^tuppa could have been inducted into the lexicon at least for some  
speakers. I don't think that's what's happening here necessarily, but  
I guess it's a possibility.

-Justin


Quoting Rory M Larson <rlarson at unlnotes.unl.edu>:

> I think we may have found it.  Our speaker, who originally didn't
> recognize the word, consulted with her sister and came up with the word
> ishtuba, 'grandchild'.  Then she checked with her brother, who corrected
> her pronunciation to ishtuppa.  At this point I looked up the word for
> 'grandchild', and found ittushpa.  So it looks like this is probably one
> of those consonant cluster dyslexia things they do with a few words, like
> bruga / gruba for 'all', and wabagreze / wabragase / wagrabase for 'paper'
> or 'book'.  I don't know how ancient or widespread this ittushpa /
> ishtuba~ishtuppa doublet may be, but the fact that one speaker used it and
> two others recognized it seems to give it some credibility.
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> I can't find any similar form in either Quapaw or Kansa.  I take it that
> it's not in the Dorsey files.  Even so, the word, pronounced shtobe by me,
> somehow rings a bell.  I haven't the faintest idea why, so maybe it's a
> phantasm of my aging brain.  I certainly don't associate it with
> 'brother'.
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> Bob
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> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J Awakuni-Swetland
> Sent: Wed 9/9/2009 8:31 AM
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> Subject: SHTUBA inquiry
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> Aloha all,
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> My elder brother at Macy recently asked if I had heard the term 'shtuba'
> as used by another Omaha relative as the term for 'brother'.
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> We have been drawing a blank on the word here at UNL.
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> Does anyone recognize the word?
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> Thanks,
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> Mark Awakuni-Swetland
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