Words for Loss, Lose and Lost

Tue Mar 26 07:04:54 UTC 2013

Shé-tʰe gízhu-noⁿi-tʰe ithápahoⁿ-mázhi, óⁿthiⁿi-tʰe. Oⁿthániudoⁿ-átʰsh.

I have not run into that prefix at all. I have noticed that sometimes that
prefix sounds lowered, towards /e/, when I hear it spoken, but I just take
that as part of the normal vowel space variation for the /i/ vowel, which
seems to be lowered more often than not in unstressed positions.

My fate in Panama was nothing compared to the rest of last year - that one
will go down in the history books. But it's over, so don't worry!

Bryan

2013/3/1 Rory Larson <rlarson1 at unl.edu>

>  Goⁿ gatʰegoⁿ Arizona nikkashiⁿga ama gizhu noⁿ, ebthegoⁿ!****
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> Have you ever run into the kke- affix in Dorsey?  We just discovered it
> about a year ago.  There was an example or two in the Dorsey dictionary,
> and the speakers recognized it easily.  Basically, it works just like the
> kki-, reflexive, affix, but it implies that it happened to you rather than
> that you did it to yourself, and maybe what happened to you wasn’t
> desirable.  So if you say:****
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>                 uxpathe-akkithe****
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> I think it would mean “I lost myself (intentionally)”, but if you say:****
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>                 uxpathe-akkethe****
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> it would mean “I got lost (it happened to me)”.****
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> I’m wondering how widespread this affix is in Siouan?  It seems to be
> pretty rare in the written material even in Omaha.****
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> Also, on the original question of ‘lose’/’lost’, there might be more than
> one way to take it:****
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> **1.       **losing a thing              (That would be “uxpare-re” in
> Omaha.)****
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> **2.       **losing a person          (That might be “mugroⁿ are” in
> Omaha.  I.e., the person took off and disappeared on you, “went mugroⁿ”.)*
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> **3.       **losing your way         (I’m not really sure what that is in
> Omaha.  I’ll have to ask.)****
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> Anyway, glad to hear you dropped back into Arizona.  One of your last
> messages had left me a little worried about your fate in Panama!****
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> Rory****
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> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] *On Behalf Of
> *Bryan James Gordon
> *Sent:* Friday, March 01, 2013 4:20 PM
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> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> *Subject:* Re: Words for Loss, Lose and Lost****
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> Óⁿhoⁿ, Panama-thoⁿdi uxpáthe-akitha-mazhi ede théthudi Arizona
> moⁿzhoⁿ-thoⁿdi oⁿwóⁿxpathe moⁿbthiⁿ shóⁿshoⁿ!****
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> Another thing I see a lot in Dorsey is the dative "lost to somebody",
> "uíxpathe" /uixpaðe/. ****
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> Bryan****
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> 2013/3/1 Rory Larson <rlarson1 at unl.edu>****
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> Looking at the dictionary I’ve been working on with our speakers, it
> appears that the causative uxpare-re is the only one that presently
> translates as ‘lose’.  The plain uxpare verb mainly means to fall or drop,
> from a height.****
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> Bryan, Panama roⁿdi uxparerira-baži tʰe udoⁿ!****
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> Rory****
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> *From:* Siouan Linguistics [mailto:SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu] *On Behalf Of
> *Bryan James Gordon
> *Sent:* Friday, March 01, 2013 2:56 PM
> *To:* SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu****
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> *Subject:* Re: Words for Loss, Lose and Lost****
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> In the Dorsey texts for Omaha and Ponca, "uxpathe" /uxpaðe/ is "lost", and
> for the transitive "lose" there seems to be a choice of using "uxpathe" or
> the causative "uxpathethe" /uxpaðe-ðe/.****
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> Bryan****
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> 2013/2/25 Scott Collins <saponi360 at yahoo.com>****
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> Thank you Dave, I didn't see that one in the Biloxi dictionary. I must
> have missed it. ****
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> Scott P. Collins
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR
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> Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle
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> “Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.”
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> "The greater the denial the greater the awakening."****
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> --- On *Sat, 2/23/13, David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>* wrote:****
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> From: David Kaufman <dvkanth2010 at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Words for Loss, Lose and Lost
> To: SIOUAN at listserv.unl.edu
> Date: Saturday, February 23, 2013, 11:21 AM****
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> The Biloxi word for 'lose' is ka-paha-ni-ye: ka- and -ni are the circumfix
> for negation; paha means something like 'sight' or 'appearance'; -ye is the
> causative = something like 'cause to not be in sight' or 'cause to be
> invisible.'
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> Dave****
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> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Scott Collins <saponi360 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc1814.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=saponi360@yahoo.com>>
> wrote:****
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> Hello, I was trying to find the word or words for loss, lose and lost in
> Tutelo-Saponi. ****
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> What would comparative words be in other Dhegiha languages and what would
> be the literal translation of those words? I'm hoping to be able to
> extrapolate the word for loss or lost through comparison unless there is a
> word that is used for loss in Tutelo-Saponi. ****
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> I was thinking perhaps "iha:o ki-hiye-nE". ****
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> Literally, "no balance". ****
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> lE= go, no= yaha or iha:o, and way = hatkox (path) ****
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> lE:yaha:hatkox or lE:yahatkox-se ** **
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> Could these words figure into gone away (lost, lose)... ****
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> Scott P. Collins
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> WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR
>
> Evil Is An Outer Manifestation Of An Inner Struggle
>
> “Men and women become accomplices to those evils they fail to oppose.”
>
> "The greater the denial the greater the awakening."****
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> --
> David Kaufman, Ph.C.
> University of Kansas
> Linguistic Anthropology****
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> Bryan James Gordon, MA
> Joint PhD Program in Linguistics and Anthropology
> University of Arizona
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> Bryan James Gordon, MA
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